Todd Suomela's List: MN-Politics

• For AEO2007, an OCS access case was prepared to examine the potential impacts  of the lifting of Federal restrictions on access to the OCS in the Pacific,  the Atlantic, and the eastern Gulf of Mexico. Currently, except for a relatively  small tract in the eastern Gulf, resources in those areas are legally off  limits to exploration and development. Mean estimates from the MMS indicate  that technically recoverable resources currently off limits in the lower  48 OCS total 18 billion barrels of crude oil and 77 trillion cubic feet  of natural gas (Table 10). 
• The projections in the OCS access case indicate that access to the Pacific,  Atlantic, and eastern Gulf regions would not have a significant impact  on domestic crude oil and natural gas production or prices before 2030.  Leasing would begin no sooner than 2012, and production would not be expected  to start before 2017.

  • Key point is no significant impact before 2030

• From:  Jamie Delton      Date:    Aug 17 09:33 CDT      Short link 

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  Speaker of the House Margaret Anderson Kelliher, St. Paul City Council President Kathy Lantry, Rep. Erin Murphy, and Ramsey County Commissioner Victoria Reinhardt stand with Al Franken, US Senate candidate in Minnesota. Did anyone attend this event? 

  • Jamie baits the thread.

• From:  Shannon Drury      Date:    Aug 18 16:15 CDT      Short link 

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  I was there. 

  • Shannon factually responds
• past porno work and sexist anti-gay nightclub routines or did he presume you were all his loyal fans lending him a photo opportunity and continue to distract with the 401-U and his "kitchen table" issue?

  • Jamie starts the slime.

• From:  Shannon Drury      Date:    Aug 19 08:44 CDT      Short link 

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  Jamie, I think it might be more helpful to this forum if you are plain about your intentions. 

  • Shannon tries to recover
• No, he is not an idiot, far from it. What is idiotic is the Republican attempts to characterize the Playboy piece as porn, when it was clearly satire on porn in Playboy magazine.

  • Wizard Marks tries to defend Franken.
• So let's do what Franken's supporters demand; ignore all that. What's left, in terms of things to help one judge for whom one votes?

  • Mitch Berg wants to know what to judge Franken on.

• From:  Christine Viken      Date:    Aug 19 12:14 CDT      Short link 

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  I only hope my failing computer serves me long enough to get off a reply to Mitch's erroneous characterizations of Al Franken's accomplishments. 

  • Christine tries to correct Mitch Berg on Air America.
• I guess it depends on what one thinks is successful.  I did a search on Air America ratings and found ratings available for Air America in NYC and they weren't good. The numbers were from 04 and 05.

  • John Harris tries to correct Mitch Berg on Air America success.
• There was *nothing*, from an objective, dollars and cents and ratings points perspective, "successful" about Al Franken or any aspect of Air America.

  • Mitch says Air America was an objective failure.

• From:  Mike Fratto      Date:    Aug 19 14:06 CDT      Short link 

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  Let's see John. Air America is, what, eight years old, maybe nine with few stations. So they didn't have decent ratings their first few years. What was Rush's ratings when he started and how long did it take until he had decent ratings? 

  • Mike Fratto steps in.
• air america also filed for bankruptancy in 06 i believe.  like i said, it depends on what you consider successful. in the radio business, like it or not, it is ratings that is used to measure one station against another.

  • John Harris asks what we mean by success.

• From:  Wizard Marks      Date:    Aug 19 23:41 CDT      Short link 

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  I just found a current Rush Limbaugh clip on either YouTube or AlterNet wherein he said he is starting a "chaos" campaign. He wants to have riots at, presumably, the DNc, though it could have been the RNC. Rush wants riots "like Chicago in 1968." 

  • Wizard brings in Rush.

• From:  Dave Garland      Date:    Aug 20 01:08 CDT      Short link 

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  On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 04:39:44 +0000, Wizard Marks wrote:  >I just found a current Rush Limbaugh clip on either YouTube or AlterNet wherein he said he is starting a "chaos" campaign. He wants to have riots at, presumably, the DNc, though it could have been the RNC. Rush wants riots "like Chicago in 1968." 
• Oh I don't know Shannon, looking at the lead photo with all 5 Democrat politicians clapping and tilting their heads for Franken - looks like a fan club to me. I'll be glad to be proven wrong by an account of his speech.

  • Jamie Delton continues to bait the thread.
• That's not how it works, Mr. Delton, and, if you grew up in a family of writers, you above all should know that. You cannot critique modern Jewish satire by virtue of your DNA or your proximity to other writers.

  • Marks disputes Delton's claims about writing.
• Republicans continually surprise me with their total lack of business acumen.

  • Marc Asch off topic but complaining about Republicans.

• From:  Jamie Delton      Date:    Aug 20 22:01 CDT      Short link 

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  "You cannot critique modern Jewish satire by virtue of your DNA or your proximity to other writers." Huh?  Wizard, Franken has NOT explained his porn.  "Why should Franken turn down work? " 
• Porn? Only a very up-tight person would term Franken's piece for Playboy (for a Y2K issue on the theme of "sex in the next 1000 years") as porn.

  • Dave Garland tries to defend Franken and questions the definition of porn.

• From:  Wizard Marks      Date:    00:16 CDT      Short link 

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  Mr. Delton, you began your screed by saying you grew up in a family of writers and went on to say that you "were not impressed" by Franken's satire. By so doing, you asserted that you have a basis, through your family, for claiming the ability to critique Franken's piece in Playboy. That is not a basis which can lend you credentials. 

  • Marks continues to object to Delton
• There are no "credentials" for being a critic (although given the Democrats' mania for reinstating the "Fairness" doctrine and extending it to blogs, that could certainly change. Why do you people hate free speech so much?)

  • Berg tries to aid Delton

• From:  Bill Kahn (D)      Date:    14:24 CDT      Short link 

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  Swift Boating, the kind of duty performed in Vietnam, was the truth, Mitch Berg, a truth that many in this branch of the military endured for their tours there. As much as Mitch and Jamie Delton would like to believe--perhaps do believe--that the disgusting smears and sick denigrations, as in the 2004 Swift Boat ads, utilized by Republicans over the years is the truth, it is not the truth. 

• From:  John Harris      Date:    14:41 CDT      Short link 

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  On 8/21/08, Bill Kahn <<email obscured>> wrote: > Just because Mitch chooses to ignore Al's presence and work in Minnesota,  I don't choose to ignore it.  I don't know what Al's "work" in Minnesota is?  His ad's say he will continue to work for middle class families or something like that.  What has Al done that he will continue to do?  I'm genuinely curious. 

• From:  mitch berg      Date:    14:42 CDT      Short link 

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  This really isn't Minnesota-related, but since Bill Kahn's doing it, it'll be OK.  For Bill Kahn, anyway. 

  • Berg goes on about Swift Boating.

• From:  Laura Waterman Wittstock      Date:    18:55 CDT      Short link 

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  Same old MN-Pol. How the heck do we fix this so we can submit comment without it veering off to this level?  

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