Mark Hines on 2009-07-11
After visiting the MET in Providence, I am convinced that Littky has already answered this question with an entirely new way of thinking of school - and he has plenty of data to show IT WORKS!
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If a surgeon from the 1800s walked into an operating room today
where arthroscopic surgery was being performed, could that surgeon
step in and perform the surgery? No way. The surgeon would not even
understand what the procedure was, would not understand what the
instruments were, and would be totally lost about what was going
on.
But if a teacher from the 1800s walked into a classroom today,
could he or she substitute as a teacher? If so, why would that be
possible? Perhaps the
educators of the 1800s were able to anticipate the needs of the 21
st century and designed a system that perfectly fits our
educational purposes today. The other possibility is
that our industrial era schools have not changed to keep pace with
our current understanding of cognition and learning. If this system
of factory era schooling does not meet the needs of today’s
learners and the demands of our information age economy, we have a
problem. If we have a
system that does not fit our needs anymore, we must begin thinking about
how to transform the educational system we have.
Carroll, T. G. (2000). If we didn't have the schools we have today,\nwould we create the schools we have today? Contemporary Issues in Technology and Teacher Education [Online serial], 1 (1). Available: http://www.citejournal.org/vol1/iss1/currentissues/general/article1.htm
Carroll, T. G. (2000). If we didn't have the schools we have today,
would we create the schools we have today? Contemporary Issues in Technology and Teacher Education [Online serial], 1 (1).
If We Didn’t Have the Schools We Have Today, Would We Create the Schools We Have Today?
great article form 2001 from Thomas Caroll asking the question "If we didn't have today's schools, would we crate today's schools?
Mark Hines on 2009-07-11
After visiting the MET in Providence, I am convinced that Littky has already answered this question with an entirely new way of thinking of school - and he has plenty of data to show IT WORKS!
Mark Hines on 2009-07-11
of course, the wonderful thing about this is that this is age-independent - it allows even a very young learner an opportunity to be the expert - we rarely enable this kind of human potential in schools.
In most of those schools, she heard complaints from
the principals and from the teachers that the open space model did
not work. Teachers who were interviewed in the article said things
like, “When I am trying to lecture to my students, I
can’t keep control of the class, because they are distracted
by lectures and noise from the other teachers and their students.
My students listen in
on what the other teachers are saying or doing with their students,
and they have a lot of ways to send messages to the other students.
It doesn’t work. I just can’t teach my
class in an open space.”
However, at one school, the principal said, “This is
great. It works really well for us. Our teachers have organized
themselves into teams. We have cross-age classes and we have team
projects across our subjects. Our teachers and students
can move around and reconfigure themselves any time they want to
work on a new task together. We have some older students tutoring
younger students. This is a great school, and we are very happy
with it.”
Mark Hines on 2009-07-11
what a contrast between these two views on what to do with learners in an open environment. The big shift will have to be re-tolling teacher's mindsets about how to teach in these settings. Folks like High tech High and the MET have given up expecting to hire the right kind of teachers, and instead have opened their own schools of education to get teachers to develop the correct pedagogy and philosophy.
Mark Hines on 2009-07-11
the past 8 years of tech development have moved us even further along this proposition. Although there is a lot of hand wringing and "schools and teachers are resistant to change" the movements to charters, new school models, online education that works (check the research on this) and new models for schools indicate the disruptive wave (Christensen, Horn et el) are coming sooon!
Brenda Muench on 2009-07-02
Web 2.0 Applications are the beginning of this change I think. Let the users decide what they need and how they want to use it but it's got to be collaborative in nature!
If we didn't have the schools we have today,
would we create the schools we have today?
expert learners (we call them teachers, educators, scientists, and researchers today) are going to be recognized for their ability to learn and help others learn, as they continue to construct new knowledge and develop their own expertise.
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Barbara Lindsey on 2009-06-07
Exactly the response I hear again and again....
Today’s model of schooling is to bring the learner to the knowledge—tomorrow we will bring the knowledge to the learners. We must recognize that schools and classrooms are becoming nodes in networked learning communities. We must begin to think about how
James Folkestad on 2009-05-21
This is a very nice metaphor for what is going on in today's classrooms.
great article about how learning and school has or has not changed and what needs to be transformed to prepare for today and the future to meet the needs of students and teachers
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Brian on 2009-05-20
This statement really needs to be foundational in school construction project design and planning work. We need to completely rethink how schools are designed. A 100 year old design is not the right design to support the learning community model described here.
Brian on 2009-05-20
I wonder how this and other ideas here transfer to each level (eg, elementary, middle, secondary)? These statements aren't differentiated for age appropriateness. I'd like to see that fleshed out.
One of the large “L’s” Brian on 2009-05-20
This is transformational! I hear from principals all the time that teachers are uncomfortable using technology in front of their students... the teachers want to become proficient with technology before using it in class... in this model, they are learners alongside their students and each has their own domain knowledge and expertise to offer to the community. I like it!
Mark Hines on 2009-07-11
The image and what it implies gets the to heart of what needs to change to save education - in the day 2 keynote of NECC09, the debate on bricks or mortar, good or bad, ended up being a somewhat agreement that the problem isn't B&M - it is what happens in them - this is the best, research evidenced solution, and technology needs to play a critical role to support it.
Brian on 2009-07-09
This is a key point. A failed school design does not mean the design is wrong. How the learning community is implemented within the physical space is absolutely key to success. The real challenge is shifting the culture of teaching from a traditional model to a networked learning community model.
Brian on 2009-07-09
How do we do that with teacher unions that are often resistent to change. "very differently" in this context is quite scary for traditionalists.
Brian on 2009-07-09
This is profound. For too many years we've added technology to schools and classrooms and continued with the same general model of teaching and learning. We use words like "enhance learning with technology" when we should be saying "transform learning through the use of technology". Technology projects are organizational change projects which implies transformation.
worth reading - noting and adding to the annotations on the page
The investment of resources on this scale is comparable to the space program. The process of building this infrastructure is similar to launching a rocket in education. Now that we have launched that rocket, we must learn to fly. That may seem backwards,
If We Didn’t Have the Schools We Have Today, Would We Create the Schools We Have Today?
If We Didn’t Have the Schools We Have Today, Would We Create the Schools We Have Today?
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Dean Shareski on 2009-05-15
This is exactly the focus on my course at the University of Regina. My disclaimer to my students is that they have grown up in a system that for the most part, worked for them. It's going to be hard for them to change as well.
Dean Shareski on 2009-05-15
A great response to the arguement about whether or not technology improves learning.
Marilyn Mossman on 2009-05-15
How do we get current teachers to accept this change?
If we didn't have the schools we have today, would we create the schools we have today? by Thomas G. Carroll, U.S. Dept. of Education (2000)
Mary Ann Harlan on 2009-05-15
Changing before teachers enter the system - but my thought is that is has to be holistic, a system redesign
Patrick Higgins on 2009-05-15
Mary Ann,
I agree that sending "changed" teachers out into schools that are unchanged would be a dangerous thing to do.
Mary Ann Harlan on 2009-05-15
mentorships, apprenticeships, models have existed - but question - I can see this with older kids, what about younger how does that look?
Mary Ann Harlan on 2009-05-15
Wow
Dean Shareski on 2009-05-15
I hadn't really thought about this distinction before.
If We Didn’t Have the Schools We Have Today, Would We Create the Schools We Have Today?
Today’s model of schooling is to bring the learner to the knowledge—tomorrow we will bring the knowledge to the learners. We must recognize that schools and classrooms are becoming nodes in networked learning communities. We must begin to think about how to organize learning in networked communities and not limit learning within the boundaries of classrooms and school buildings—which would be to limit our thinking to what has been possible in the past in a single school or node.
Will Richardson on 2009-05-15
Too true. This is a huge professional development undertaking.
Will Richardson on 2009-05-15
That part about the distinctions between students and teachers fading away is a big, big shift for most. This is where the idea of Learning First, Teaching Second comes in.
Mary Ann Harlan on 2009-05-15
Teachers as learners, modeling a passion for learning, sharing enthusiasm, as well as strategies for learning
Will Richardson on 2009-05-15
This is huge. "Collaborativly construct new knowledge."
If
you are an experienced learner in the community—practiced at
solving problems—you have a role to play helping others to
learn. You may bring past knowledge and experience, and you will
learn more as you help them learn.
If
you are a young person or a novice at learning in a particular
field, you still have a role to play as you construct your own
knowledge and understanding, and through that process contribute
new insights, experiences, and creations that enhance the learning
of others in the community.
Will Richardson on 2009-05-15
This is such a great statement. Will be recognized for their ability to learn and help others learn.
Dean Shareski on 2009-05-15
"expert learners" That's what I"m talkin' 'bout! ;)
James Folkestad on 2009-05-21
This is directly to the point. "Expert learners" help other learners build and increase their learning edgility (see edgility.net) and enter a space to connect with their passions.
Will Richardson on 2009-05-15
Wow.
Will Richardson on 2009-05-15
Very true.
Will Richardson on 2009-05-15
I struggle with how this networked learning becomes tangible. What does it look like for the group as opposed to the individual?
Will Richardson on 2009-05-15
This is what I want to say to Gary Stager. This is a process. VIrtually nothing acheives excellence on the first try.
Will Richardson on 2009-05-15
I wonder how many people still don't understand this.
Will Richardson on 2009-05-15
Sounds like Shirky.
Will Richardson on 2009-05-15
This is depressing. We're making the same argument today.
Will Richardson on 2009-05-15
To me, this is the money quote. Helping kids to grow their own personal learning networks in safe, effective and ethical ways.
Will Richardson on 2009-05-15
I agree. And this is something that we don't talk about enough. Everything is customized for us these days...except learning.
if we didn't have the schools we have today, would we create the schools we have today? by Thomas G. Carroll

Sharon Elin on 2009-05-15
This analogy of equipping sailing vessels with steam engines works well as an illustration of technology being plugged into traditional classrooms.
Public Stiky Notes
I agree that sending "changed" teachers out into schools that are unchanged would be a dangerous thing to do.
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