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  • mscotthokie
    Michael Scott on 2008-12-12
    Exactly,,, this is why data we have about reading and math instruction should be used to find out who our really good teachers are. It's why I take the time to look at the data. You can't observe these people frequently enough to know, but if they work for us for a number of years, we sure can find out who is effective.
  • witchyrichy
    Karen Richardson on 2008-12-16
    Actually, the more pressing problem is KEEPING the teachers, especially the good ones since they are more likely to be frustrated by the flawed system and leave to do something else.
  • witchyrichy
    Karen Richardson on 2008-12-16
    Crude is the right word but it's all we've got. Unfortunately, this isn't usually how the testing works...teachers are judged by end of the year scores only from one year to the next so it's different groups of kids.
  • witchyrichy
    Karen Richardson on 2008-12-16
    Unfortunately, the schools that really need the good teachers usually don't have 1000 applicants for ten positions...they're lucky if they have more than one.
  • dendari
    Brendan Murphy on 2009-11-09
    So instead of one test we have two big tests in a year.
  • cburell
    Clay Burell on 2008-12-09
    A facile analysis, and skewed. Upper class schools are above average, while poor SES schools are below. The problem is the poor schools.
  • jsb16cc
    Jenn Broekman on 2008-12-12
    Especially when you factor in licensing and "highly qualified" requirements.
  • cburell
    Clay Burell on 2008-12-09
    "Simply" is not that simple.
  • cburell
    Clay Burell on 2008-12-09
    I hope you substantiate this with data about what has been DONE about these issues, instead of the "worry." Because by many accounts, not much has been done at all.
  • cburell
    Clay Burell on 2008-12-09
    Which ones? And how about the "many" who disagree with them?
  • gomehead2000
    Mark Gomez on 2009-01-06
    although very true, sometimes the truth is the best excuse not to change... and i feel a lot of teachers use these two truths to escape the responsibility they share for their students academic performance.
  • dendari
    Brendan Murphy on 2009-11-09
    Why we should have a two year mentorin gprogram. 1st year watching learning and occasionaly teaching 2nd year teaching and taking constructive criticism
  • gomehead2000
    Mark Gomez on 2009-01-06
    uhm... hello, i think this is not the root of the problem. i have seen many a great teachers with huge potential, just like the quarterbacks.

    perhaps we should take a look at how these great rookies are supported once they are in a program (school or team) and how there potential is maximized.

    i have seen great teachers leave because they are not supported in ways that help them unleash their potential or continue to develop it...
  • dendari
    Brendan Murphy on 2009-11-09
    It isn't that the need for a requirement is wrong, it's that the certification process itself is emphasizing the wrong things.
  • clbrooks97
    Charlie Brooks on 2009-01-07
    What about certifications like CTT+ that are behavior-based? And are there any predictors for success in distance learning?
  • jsb16cc
    Jenn Broekman on 2008-12-13
    And yet NCLB makes the certifications mandatory. Not that I think you can effectively teach high school content without a thorough grasp of the content and at least as thorough a grasp of basic pedagogy, but transcripts don't do a great job of measuring those...
  • gomehead2000
    Mark Gomez on 2009-01-06
    imagine that!! qualitative indicators as well as quantitative?
  • dendari
    Brendan Murphy on 2009-11-09
    Why not spend more time in actual classrooms? instead of one sememster of student teaching which is actually only 6 to 9 weeks why not a full year or even two of working in the classroom?
  • jsb16cc
    Jenn Broekman on 2008-12-13
    YES!
  • gomehead2000
    Mark Gomez on 2009-01-06
    that is interesting, not sure you could not find the same correlation between bad teachers and new placements...
  • dendari
    Brendan Murphy on 2009-11-09
    Actually what most of these firms do is bring in thousands of applicants tell them they can make hundreds of thousands per year and then work them to death until there are just a few left. Meanwhile taking the orphaned clients and passing them off to vets who survived the trial by fire.
    Having thousands of applicants actually makes them more money than being selective about who they hire.
  • gomehead2000
    Mark Gomez on 2009-01-06
    this is something that needs to be reviewed and shown to TEP students...
  • dendari
    Brendan Murphy on 2009-11-09
    more time in teh classroom watching and disecting master teachers more time in teh classroom being evaluated by master teachers.
  • gomehead2000
    Mark Gomez on 2009-01-07
    this is something that should have an entire course dedicated to teacher training programs.

    i have watched enough kung fu movies in my time that i refuse to believe that with enough conscious and explicit training, something like "withitness" couldn't be taught...

    it might look ridiculous and funny at the outset, but why couldn't new teachers get practice with the different types of class management techniques and develop more people (student) friendly skills?
  • gomehead2000
    Mark Gomez on 2009-01-07
    wow... now we are going to piss some people off... i like it!!
  • gomehead2000
    Mark Gomez on 2009-01-07
    a healthy reward isn't always monetary (just ask any teacher now) the holidays help with the actual health part... but i am all for increasing teacher rewards for those deserving...
  • gomehead2000
    Mark Gomez on 2009-01-07
    this bothers me a lot... even as a union supporter.

    http://www.ed4change.com/?p=81

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  • kiberens
    kiberens on 2009-01-15
    Quarterback problem defined; ends long anecdote with surprise analogy to teaching.

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