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However, school districts excell at collecting “verifiable parent consent” – we call this permission slips. So, if you set up Google Apps: Education Edition, collect parent consent for students to use it, and control the student accounts yourselves, you’re in good shape with respect to COPPA.
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The most important thing is to understand this: not having control over documents doesn’t constitute a violation of CIPA. Not having control over an online document doesn’t make Google Docs a violation of CIPA any more than not having control over a pen and paper makes spiral bound notebooks a violation of CIPA.It’s actually more or less irrelevant to the law.
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not having control over documents doesn’t constitute a violation of CIPA. Not having control over an online document doesn’t make Google Docs a violation of CIPA any more than not having control over a pen and paper makes spiral bound notebooks a violation of CIPA.It’s actually more or less irrelevant to the law.
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There is no expectation that schools will block “anything that could possiblly or potentially be inappropriate.”
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So younger students should not be using any Google tool, including Google Docs, that requires them to log in with a Google Account. This is because Google has no mechanism for collecting “verifiable parent consent” for student profile information. However, school districts excell at collecting “verifiable parent consent” – we call this permission slips. So, if you set up Google Apps: Education Edition, collect parent consent for students to use it, and control the student accounts yourselves, you’re in good shape with respect to COPPA.
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Filtering as a way to absolutely keep inappropriate content away from kids is a fantasy.
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Valaina Maher"The Blog of Mark Wagner, Ph.D.
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Ben GreyPost by Mark Wagner about Google Docs not violating COPPA.
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So, if you set up Google Apps: Education Edition, collect parent consent for students to use it, and control the student accounts yourselves, you’re in good shape with respect to COPPA.
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Roxana HadadHelpful for those of us that have to talk about this frequently.
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Google Docs Does Not Violate CIPA (or COPPA*)
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The most important thing is to understand this: not having control over documents doesn’t constitute a violation of CIPA. Not having control over an online document doesn’t make Google Docs a violation of CIPA any more than not having control over a pen and paper makes spiral bound notebooks a violation of CIPA.It’s actually more or less irrelevant to the law.
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CIPA does require that school districts filter the internet to protect students from content that is “harmful to minors” (and the primary concern is porn). The key is that schools need to show due dilligence in blocking sites they know are “harmful.” There is no expectation that schools will block “anything that could possiblly or potentially be inappropriate.”
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CIPA (and the related FCC regulations) do require that there is a process in place for adults to unblock legitimately educational sites… and one of the only reasons that CIPA has not been struck down in the courts is due to the ease of unblocking a site using filtering software.
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COPPA forbids Google from collecting profile information for users under 14 years old. So younger students should not be using any Google tool, including Google Docs, that requires them to log in with a Google Account. This is because Google has no mechanism for collecting “verifiable parent consent” for student profile information. However, school districts excell at collecting “verifiable parent consent” – we call this permission slips. So, if you set up Google Apps: Education Edition, collect parent consent for students to use it, and control the student accounts yourselves, you’re in good shape with respect to COPPA.
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For students 14 and over, you’re legally fine having them use Google Docs – and despite the fact that Google’s terms of service say users need to be of legal age to enter into a contract, which i 18 in California, Google does encourage the use of their products with students aged 14-18.)
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With respect to archiving documents for public disclosure: Use of Google Docs for teaching and learning is no different than using spiral bound notebooks, photocopied assignments, or ordinary blackboards. In fact, I’d say the online documents are generally better archived than anything a district can ordinarily pull off in the classroom… particularly with the history of revisions. In any case, if districts are not concerned about “archiving” handwritten student essays on paper, I don’t see why Google Docs would be any different. We’re talking about instruction here, not district business. It’s important to remember the difference.
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Henry ThieleGoogle Docs Does Not Violate CIPA (or COPPA*)
The following is an email I’ve found myself writing more and more often. This is the longest version (and the latest one I’ve sent off). I’ve decided to share my take on the situation here on this blog for three reasons. First, I hope I can point people here instead of writing more emails. Second, I hope this might benefit people who might never email me (such as people searching the web for this topic). And third, I hope those of you familiar with such things (either legal experts or educators who are fighting this fight – on either side) will provide feedback in the comments.cipa google googleapps coppa googledocs education Technology Google Docs
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Chip BuckwellLegal conversation about the legality of google docs and who owns them.
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Debra GottslebenGreat post on what schools must block through filtering and what can and should be unblocked
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Ouida MyersGoogle Docx and CIP
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Martin Cisneros"So younger students should not be using any Google tool, including Google Docs, that requires them to log in with a Google Account. This is because Google has no mechanism for collecting “verifiable parent consent” for student profile information. However, school districts excell at collecting “verifiable parent consent” – we call this permission slips. So, if you set up Google Apps: Education Edition, "
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koroghcm usBlog entry about how one person views Google accounts and Apps in light of CIPA and COPPA. I've seen similar stances in other places before. I'm not sure about absolute legality but seems reasonable.
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Bill MontanaGoogle Docs and legal concerns
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Nancy AlibrandiGoogle Docs Does Not Violate CIPA (or COPPA*)
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Chris HarknessKids under 14 should not be using any Google that requires them to log in with an account that identifies them.
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Myra GiersdorfGoogle Docs Does Not Violate CIPA (or COPPA*)
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o, if you set up Google Apps: Education Edition, collect parent consent for students to use it, and control the student accounts yourselves, you’re in good shape with respect to COPPA.
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Peggy GeorgeThe most important thing is to understand this: not having control over documents doesn’t constitute a violation of CIPA. Not having control over an online document doesn’t make Google Docs a violation of CIPA any more than not having control over a pen and paper makes spiral bound notebooks a violation of CIPA.It’s actually more or less irrelevant to the law.
CIPA does require that school districts filter the internet to protect students from content that is “harmful to minors” (and the primary concern is porn). The key is that schools need to show due dilligence in blocking sites they know are “harmful.” There is no expectation that schools will block “anything that could possiblly or potentially be inappropriate.” -
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Ben WilkoffGreat blog post on legality of Google Docs for schools.
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Kyle StevensThe most important thing is to understand this: not having control over documents doesn’t constitute a violation of CIPA. Not having control over an online document doesn’t make Google Docs a violation of CIPA any more than not having control over a pen and paper makes spiral bound notebooks a violation of CIPA.It’s actually more or less irrelevant to the law.
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CIPA does require that school districts filter the internet to protect students from content that is “harmful to minors” (and the primary concern is porn). The key is that schools need to show due dilligence in blocking sites they know are “harmful.” There is no expectation that schools will block “anything that could possiblly or potentially be inappropriate.”
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Kellie AdyBlog post on the legality of using GoogleApps with students. It (unfortunately) does not address our current sticking point with GMail, but it's good information for the use of GoogleDocs in an educational setting.
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The most important thing is to understand this: not having control over documents doesn’t constitute a violation of CIPA. Not having control over an online document doesn’t make Google Docs a violation of CIPA any more than not having control over a pen and paper makes spiral bound notebooks a violation of CIPA.It’s actually more or less irrelevant to the law.
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You’d be well within your rights to request (and expect) Google Docs to be unblocked.
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COPPA forbids Google from collecting profile information for users under 14 years old. So younger students should not be using any Google tool, including Google Docs, that requires them to log in with a Google Account.
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For students 14 and over, you’re legally fine having them use Google Docs -
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(For students 14 and over, you’re legally fine having them use Google Docs - and despite the fact that Google’s terms of service say users need to be of legal age to enter into a contract, which i 18 in California, Google does encourage the use of their products with students aged 14-18.)
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Google does encourage the use of their products with students aged 14-18.)
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Google is explicit about the intellectual property still belonging to the user. (And their privacy policies and practices are very strong.)
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sharing confidential student information, we’re talking about instructional use.
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With respect to archiving documents for public disclosure: Use of Google Docs for teaching and learning is no different than using spiral bound notebooks, photocopied assignments, or ordinary blackboards.
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the online documents are generally better archived than anything a district can ordinarily pull off
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particularly with the history of revisions.
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if districts are not concerned about “archiving” handwritten student essays on paper, I don’t see why Google Docs would be any different. We’re talking about instruction here, not district business. It’s important to remember the difference.
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Monitoring is not full proof. I believe if we have detailed abilities to protect our students with firewalls, filters and spot monitoring based on questionable behavior that should be sufficient for erate purposes and for CIPA.
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Filtering as a way to absolutely keep inappropriate content away from kids is a fantasy.
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houldn’t we have curriculum that teaches students how to be responsible users of the digital content they have access to? The tide is starting to turn towards a ‘yes’ answer to that question, but the problem then becomes is that there aren’t enough enlightened educators in each school to take on this task.
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So, as we move forward, we need to have a two-pronged approach. One to teach the kids ethical and appropriate behavior and the other to teach educators how to handle the issues that they will be confronted with.
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FERPA is not applicable to the Google Docs question as the law refers to student records, these are records that are legally required and retained by a school or district which must be made available to parents upon request.
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Google Docs is like the spiral bound notebook that is discarded once the assignments are graded and returned.
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It frustrates me to no end how many valid educational resources are blocked by my district. I have submitted several requests to unblock legitimate sites and block inappropriate websites. Unfortunately most requests are ignored–good educational resources remain untouchable and other potentially harmful influences remain available for viewing.
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Randy ZiegenfussInteresting post RE: using Google Docs in education and it's implications for compliance with both CIPA and COPPA
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