Hans Wobbe on 2009-05-18
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"Here are some characteristics where ontological classification doesn't work well":
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The search paradigm says the reverse. It says nobody gets to tell you in advance what it is you need. Search says that, at the moment that you are looking for it, we will do our best to service it based on this link structure, because we believe we can build a world where we don't need the hierarchy to coexist with the link structure.
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The search paradigm says the reverse. It says nobody gets to tell you in advance what it is you need. Search says that, at the moment that you are looking for it, we will do our best to service it based on this link structure, because we believe we can build a world where we don't need the hierarchy to coexist with the link structure.
"Today I want to talk about categorization, and I want to convince you that a lot of what we think we know about categorization is wrong. In particular, I want to convince you that many of the ways we're attempting to apply categorization to the electronic world are actually a bad fit, because we've adopted habits of mind that are left over from earlier strategies."/
Classification and Creating sense of the World, or Our Brains are not Linear
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Clay Shirky over waarom klassieke ontsluitingssystemen als classificaties en ontologieen niet geschikt zijn om de informatie op het internet te ontsluiten. Belangrijkste punt: classificaties zijn er op gericht informatie maar op 1 plek te bewaren, maar in de digitale wereld geldt dat niet meer. Shirky ziet dus liever tags als middel om informatie te ontsluiten. Hij noemt oa. een rijtje voordelen van tags.
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Hans Wobbe on 2009-05-18
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Browse versus search is a radical increase in the trust we put in link infrastructure, and in the degree of power derived from that link structure. Browse says the people making the ontology, the people doing the categorization, have the responsibility to organize the world in advance. Given this requirement, the views of the catalogers necessarily override the user's needs and the user's view of the world. If you want something that hasn't been categorized in the way you think about it, you're out of luck.
The search paradigm says the reverse. It says nobody gets to tell you in advance what it is you need. Search says that, at the moment that you are looking for it, we will do our best to service it based on this link structure, because we believe we can build a world where we don't need the hierarchy to coexist with the link structure.
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You can also turn that list around. You can say "Here are some characteristics where ontological classification doesn't work well":
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We are moving away from binary categorization -- books either are or are not entertainment -- and into this probabilistic world, where N% of users think books are entertainment. It may well be that within Yahoo, there was a big debate about whether or not books are entertainment. But they either had no way of reflecting that debate or they decided not to expose it to the users. What instead happened was it became an all-or-nothing categorization, "This is entertainment, this is not entertainment." We're moving away from that sort of absolute declaration, and towards being able to roll up this kind of value by observing how people handle it in practice.
It comes down ultimately to a question of philosophy. Does the world make sense or do we make sense of the world? If you believe the world makes sense, then anyone who tries to make sense of the world differently than you is presenting you with a situation that needs to be reconciled formally, because if you get it wrong, you're getting it wrong about the real world.
Today I want to talk about categorization, and I want to convince you that a lot of what we think we know about categorization is wrong. In particular, I want to convince you that many of the ways we're attempting to apply categorization to the electronic world are actually a bad fit, because we've adopted habits of mind that are left over from earlier strategie
"The only group that can categorize everything is everybody"
Interesting piece. I always struggle with figuring out how to best keep some vague veneer of order on my digital stuff.
Shirky argues the way the Internet is organizing contact is not an evolution of but rather a revolution away from previous categorization methods.
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Clay Shirky's writings about the Internet, including Economics and Culture, Media and Community, Open Source
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reference from Folksonomies: Tidying up Tags?
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This piece is based on two talks I gave in the spring of 2005 -- one at the O'Reilly ETech conference in March, entitled "Ontology Is OverRated", and one at the IMCExpo in April entitled "Folksonomies & Tags: The rise of user-developed
Let's say I need every Web page with the word "obstreperous" and "Minnesota" in it. You can't ask a cataloguer in advance to say "Well, that's going to be a useful category, we should encode that in advance." Instead, what the cataloguer is going to say i
An important critique by Clay Shirky of overly structured metadata and semantics, recalling " Permanet, Nearlynet, and wireless data"; see also " The Semantic Web, Syllogism, and Worldview", at http://www.shirky.com/
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An opinion piece contending that, particularly with increasing scale, categorical organization breaks down, where as individual based organization (i.e., tagging) improves. Hooray for del.icio.us!
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this is the Dewey Decimal System's categorization for religions of the world, which is the 200 category.
Dewey, 200: Religion
210 Natural theology
220 Bible
230 Christian theology
240 Christian moral & devotional theology
250 Christian orders & local church
260 Christian social theology
270 Christian church history
280 Christian sects & denominations
290 Other religions
How much is this not the categorization you want in the 21st century?
Today I want to talk about categorization, and I want to convince you that a lot of what we think we know about categorization is wrong. In particular, I want to convince you that many of the ways we're attempting to apply categorization to the electronic
Listed in References from Collaborative Tagging article by Golder and Huberman
davide g. on 2007-10-28
IMPORTANT. see rizoma
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This piece is based on two talks I gave in the spring of 2005 -- one at the O'Reilly ETech conference in March, entitled "Ontology Is Overrated", and one at the IMCExpo in April entitled "Folksonomies & T
at the O'Reilly ETech conference in March, entitled "Ontology Is
Overrated", and one at the IMCExpo in April entitled "Folksonomies
& Tags: The rise of user-developed classification."
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