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Mr. Keen begins: So what, exactly, is Web 2.0? It is the radical democratization of media which is enabling anyone to publish anything on the Internet. Mainstream media's traditional audience has become Web 2.0's empowered author
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Your wildly unflattering picture of life on the Web could also be painted of life before the Web. People chatter endlessly. They believe the most appalling things. They express prejudices that would peel the paint off a park bench. They waste their time watching endless hours of TV, wear jerseys as if they were members of the local sports team, are fooled by politicians who don't even lie convincingly, can't find Mexico on a map, and don't believe humans once ran with the dinosaurs.
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. From the most basic tools of the early Internet, starting with UseNet discussion threads, through Wikipedia, and sites that enable users to tag online resources, the Web invents ways to pull together ideas and information, finding the connections and relationships that keep the "miscellaneous" from staying that way.
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. The Web is far better understood as providing more of everything: More slander, more honor. More porn, more love. More ideas, more distractions. More lies, more truth. More experts, more professionals.
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Anthony RoocroftA really interesting debate of the future of collaboration, collectivism and web2.0
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Hanaa KhamisFull-text of Keen & Weinberger debate on Web 2.0
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Web 2.0 transforms all of us
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into digital writers, music artists, movie makers and journalists.
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Isn't it dreamy that we can all now publish ourselves, that we each possess digital versions of Johannes Gutenberg's printing press, that we are now able to easily create, distribute and sell our content on the Internet?
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Web 2.0's democratization of information and entertainment is creating a generation of media illiterates.
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the Web
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t's us. And that is the problem.
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the Web invents ways to pull together ideas and information, finding the connections and relationships that keep the "miscellaneous" from staying that way.
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On a blog, the persistence of previous posts means you can read further to see if you trust the blogger. More important, the recommendation of other bloggers you already trust is a good indicator. At Wikipedia, the rather sophisticated governance processes help establish trust, as does the complete transparency of the discussions behind the articles.
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On mailing lists, we learn over time who's a blowhard and who's a source of knowledge even if we don't know what her real name is. These examples are not exceptions. They are the rule and they have been from the beginning, because from the beginning the Web has been about inventing ways to make its own massness -- its miscellaneousness -- useful.
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The Web is far better understood as providing more of everything: More slander, more honor. More porn, more love. More ideas, more distractions. More lies, more truth. More experts, more professionals. The Web is abundance, while the old media are premised -- in their model of knowledge as well as in their economics -- on scarcity.
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I agree that the Web is us. It's a mirror rather than a medium. When we go online, we are watching ourselves. So the question is do we want to be looking at ourselves as our best (Cinderella) or our worst (the giant cockroach)? My point is that what appears to the Web 2.0 crowd to be a Disney production is actually a Kafka remix.
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new digital abundance will lead to intellectual poverty. The more we know, the less we will know. You see, to use this chaotic media efficaciously, we need to invent our own taxonomies -- which isn't realistic for the majority of ordinary people (seeking to understand the world) who think a "taxonomy" is something that drives us to the airport.
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With the Web, we can still listen to the world's greatest, but we can find others who touch us even though their technique isn't perfect.
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George BrettKeen v. Weinberger debate of "Cult of the Amateur"
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But, why should we trust the way "monkeys" (as you refer to Web users in your book) connect the pieces? We shouldn't trust them blindly. Open up The Britannica at random and you're far more likely to find reliable knowledge than if you were to open up the Web at random. That's why we don't open up the Web at random. Instead, we rely upon a wide range of trust mechanisms, appropriate to their domain, to guide us.
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david stongWeinberger wrote Everything is Miscellaneous, co-wrote Clue Train. Keen wrote Cult of the Amateur.
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Rob JacklinA wonderfully articulated debate about the nature of web2.0 in the context of truth and the reflective nature of the web on society
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Charlie McNeilFull text of a "Reply All" debate on Web 2.0 between authors Andrew Keen (The Cult of the Amateur) and David Weinberger (Everything is Miscellaneous)
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John Traverstext of very good debate on video between opposite views of web 2.0
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Mark RabnettDavid Weinberger responds to Andrew Keen's criticism of the web
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Is Web 2.0 a dream or a nightmare? Is it a remix of Disney's "Cinderella" or of Kafka's "Metamorphosis"? Have we -- as empowered conversationalists in the global citizen media community -- woken up with the golden slipper of our ugly sister (aka: mainstream media) on our dainty little foot? Or have we -- as authors-formerly-know-as-the-audience -- woken up as giant cockroaches doomed to eternally stare at our hideous selves in the mirror of Web 2.0?
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That's why we don't open up the Web at random. Instead, we rely upon a wide range of trust mechanisms, appropriate to their domain, to guide us.
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Ewan McIntoshIs Web 2.0 a load of hype. Definitely not: Weinberger would win anyone over ;-)
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Jennifer LubkeThis is the full text of a "Reply All" debate on Web 2.0 between authors Andrew Keen and David Weinberger, from the Wall Street Journal online.
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Clive McGounFull Text: Keen vs. Weinberger July 18, 2007 This is the full text of a "Reply All" debate on Web 2.0 between authors Andrew Keen and David Weinberger. A great back-and-forth, good/bad debate about Web 2.0,
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M C MorganAn extended and close debate on web 2.0, the values behind it, and the representation of it.
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Alan LevineThis is the full text of a "Reply All" debate on Web 2.0 between authors Andrew Keen and David Weinberger.
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lauren pressleyInteresting discussion!
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Leigh BlackallAmateurs aren't driving out the pros, Andrew. The old media are available on line. If some falter, other credentialed experts will emerge. But the criteria governing our choice of whom to listen to are expanding from "Those are the only channels I get" an
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J. DunnA "Reply All" debate on Web 2.0 between authors Andrew Keen and David Weinberger. (Keen is for some reason deathly afraid of the democratization and socialization of knowledge. Weinberger sets him straight in his usual calm and sensible manner.)
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This is the full text of a "Reply All" debate on Web 2.0 between authors Andrew Keen and David Weinberger.
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Barbara Fisterdebate between Andrew Keen (Cult of the Amateur) and Weinberger (Everything is Miscellaneous) in the WSJ
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David FeldThis is the full text of a "Reply All" debate on Web 2.0 between authors Andrew Keen and David Weinberger.
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Darren KuropatwaFull Text: Keen vs. Weinberger
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David JenningsAnother face-off between these two. I haven't read it.
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