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  • anyone who claims that their product supports "OOXML" in an unqualified sense, without stating which conformance target or conformance classes they are supporting, is not stating anything of substance.
  • anyone who claims that their product supports "OOXML" in an unqualified sense, without stating which conformance target or conformance classes they are supporting, is not stating anything of substance.
  • Remember, the conformance language of OOXML is so loose that even a shell statement of "cat foo.docx > /dev/null" would qualify as a conformant application.

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  • the SC Secretariat has decided that the "generally positive" requirement has not been met.

  • As to supporting standards that are in process, if there is for all practical purposes a reference implementation generally agreed upon I personally don't see a problem with that except perhaps at the practical level of release cycles.

  • The submission of the committee draft for public review was approved, since 11 out of 15 voting members votes with "Yes", which is a full majority.

  • Leadership entails foreseeing and preventing problems, not simply reacting to them.
  • If your business model requires only conformance and not actually achieving interoperability, then I wish you well. But remember that conformance and interoperability are not mutually exclusive options. An application can be conformant to a standard and also be interoperable, if you use the legacy formula namespace and syntax. So the desire to be conformant is not an excuse for not also being interoperable, or at least not a valid excuse.
  • If your business model requires only conformance and not actually achieving interoperability, then I wish you well.

  • it strips out ODF spreadsheet formulas
  • it strips out ODF spreadsheet formulas
  • interoperability is achieved by converging on a common interpretation of the format

  • In any case, my current estimate is for us to send ODF 1.2 out for public review later this year and then to have a vote to approve it as an OASIS Standard in Q1 2010
  • In any case, my current estimate is for us to send ODF 1.2 out for public review later this year and then to have a vote to approve it as an OASIS Standard in Q1 2010.

  • I have been shocked to find that they're actually proposing to re-introduce the leap-year bug

  • Symphony 1.3, released last week, now enables imports of documents using Microsoft's Office Open XML (OOXML) format. However, the free-of-charge office suite does not yet let users save documents in OOXML.

  • Kafkaesque joke exemplifying vendor ambition, inexperience and stupidity

  • "We encourage the OpenOffice group to quickly build their version of a spread sheet or a word app using JavaFX," Ellison said.

  • I want to make sure that the record is crystal clear in this regard, since  statements are being made, and actions attributed to members of this TC,  which are false, misleading and reflect poorly on OASIS, this TC, our work  and our decision making process. I don't think any of us want to see that  happen.

  • “Unfortunately, serious shortcomings have been identified in Microsoft’s support for ODF. Putting potentially millions of ODF files into circulation that are non-interoperable and incompatible with the ODF support provided by other vendors is a recipe for fragmentation.”

  • It ahs been clear for a along time that the ODF standard primarily tries to codify various implementations and as such does not guarantee interoperability. Why blame Microsoft if their implementation does not further interoperability either? The writers of the ODF standard are to blame.

  • Much was made during the IS29500 standards process of the difference in the size of the ODF and Open XML specifications.  This is a good example of where that difference comes from: in this case, a concept glossed over in three vague sentences of the ODF spec gets 17 pages of documentation in the Open XML spec.


  • There seems to be a view abroad that to be a friend of ODF one cannot criticise it. This has done enormous damage, I believe, the result of which will become plain over the coming months as implemenations which are strictly conformant will demonstrate non-substitutablity. When this happens the blame will lie at the feet of the specification.
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