Lee Dunn's List: FOURTH REICH MILITARY

• Serving U.S troops could face prison if they fall pregnant while active
• By  Daily Mail Reporter
   Last updated at 5:45 PM on 20th December 2009
• A top US commander is threatening soldiers who fall pregnant on active service with jail.
• Under the new policy, troops expecting a baby face court martial and a possible prison term – and so do the men who made them pregnant.
• And the rule applies to married couples at war together, who are expected to make sure their love lives do not interfere with duty.
• Usual US Army policy is to send pregnant soldiers home from combat zones within 14 days.
• But Major General Anthony Cucolo, who runs US operations in northern Iraq, issued the new orders because he said he was losing too many women with critical skills.
• He needed the threat of court martial and jail time as an extra deterrent, he said.
• All troops under his command are covered by the extension to the military’s legal code – the first time the US Army has made pregnancy a punishable offence.
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  Active soldiers who fall pregnant would be imprisoned under new proposals
• 'I've got a mission to do, I'm given a finite number of soldiers with which to do it and I need every one of them,' Maj Gen Cucolo said.
• 'So I'm going to take every measure I can to keep them all strong, fit and with me for the twelve months we are in the combat zone.'
• Married soldiers on active service should either put their love lives on hold or take precautions. It was a 'black and white' issue, he said.
• Legal experts said the policy raised serious ethical questions.
• 'Here you really have issues that go to the core of personal integrity: reproductive rights,' said Eugene Fidell, who teaches military law at Yale Law School and is president of America’s National Institute of Military Justice.
• The prohibition was fraught with 'a mare’s nest of legal, ethical and policy issues' highlighting the discord between personal autonomy and military needs, he said.
• 'You have to assume it’s in response to a number of incidents that have caused female GIs to be sidelined at a time when they can’t be spared.' Maj Gen Cucolo commands the US Army’s division north in Iraq, including Balad, Mosul, Tikrit, Samarra and Kirkuk.
• Court martial for pregnancy is not an Army-wide policy but division commanders have the authority to impose such restrictions, a Pentagon spokesman said.

• Under Maj Gen Cucolo's order, troops also are prohibited from 'sexual contact of any kind' with Iraqi nationals.
  

  And they cannot spend the night with a member of the opposite sex, unless married or with express permission.
• The order outlines 20 barred activities, mostly to keep order and stem criminal activity, such as selling a weapon or taking drugs.

• But other restrictions aim to stop soldiers leaving their unit short- handed, including becoming pregnant or undergoing elective surgery that would prevent their deployment.
  

  The order does not specify how long any jail term should be.

• 'When a soldier becomes pregnant or causes a soldier to become pregnant through consensual activity, the redeployment of the pregnant soldier creates a void in the unit and has a negative impact on the unit’s ability to accomplish its mission,' an Army spokesman said.
  

  'Another soldier must assume the pregnant soldier’s responsibilities.'
• British Army policy is to send pregnant troops home, a Ministry of Defence spokeswoman said.
• Comments

• I deployed to Iraq in 2007 with the 3rd ID. As a commander, my hands were extremely tied in regards to my Soldiers getting pregnant. Pregnant Soldiers have 72 hrs (not 14 days), to leave country. We were not allowed to ask who "knocked them up", or any of the details. It was all private due to "HIPPA".  
   
  This policy is long overdue, but it seems unforceable and falls short on scope. 
   
  Soldiers who go home on R&R, are they going to be given the standing order not to procreate when they go home? Is that even fair or legal? You can't pinpoint the date of a Soldiers pregnancy (due to science and privacy), so it's impossible to say if she got pregnant in combat, or on R&R.  
   
  Furthermore, this policy will be used primarily against married Soldiers; you could legitimately pinpoint who got who pregnant. Can't do that with unmarried Soldiers. So is that fair?  
   
  Finally, when I was there from 2007 to 2009, the medical clinic handed out condoms left and right; like they condone it.

   

  - Lambert, GA, 21/12/2009 06:01

• I certainly hope people will see the American Armed forces for what it really is-Disguised slavery. They work for crappy pay, have to provide their own food most of the time, get treated like dirt. I just wish the people of that country would wake up. Wake up Americans! You are killing good people from your own country for Wars that are started by corporate greed. For God's sakes WAKE UP!

   

  - msamour, London,Canada., 21/12/2009 05:46

• This is tantamount to requiring abortions "or else". Should a female soldier become pregnant, what other choices would she have to avoid military punishment. Jailing pregnant women "because" they are pregnant ....hmmmm.

   

  - porchhound, Muenster, Tx USA, 21/12/2009 04:37

• So have an abortion and go to jail. Want to bet that "Feminists" will ignore the issue.

   

  - Dave MacDonald, Ottawa, Canada, 21/12/2009 04:35

• It is about time! Women have wanted the responsibilty that comes from serving in the military for years and now they have it. It is unfair and contrary to good order to have a serviceperson able to "opt out" of service by a voluntary action. I was in the last class of Naval Nuclear Power School in Orlando, FL that was all men. It became quite common for women to accept the billet (and denying that billet to a qualified man), accept the estimated $100,000 education in nuclear engineering, and then become pregnant and choose to leave the service. In those days women had a choice on whether to leave or not. They then took their new skills to the private sector and more money.  
  During the first Gulf War the USS Arcadia had so many pregnant sailors on board awaiting transfer back to the states (having to be replaced by someone else) that the ship was nicknamed the "Love Boat". 
  Getting pregnant for both parties is voluntary and both parties should be held accountable.

   

  - Calvin, Lenexa, KS, USA, 21/12/2009 04:34

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• Ft Benning Sign Suggests Unregistered Gun Owenrs Are Terrorists
   
   
• December 17, 2009
• Well, Fort Benning must think George Washington , Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, etc. are all terrorists because they sure as hell didn't register their guns with the government.
• Well and people wonder why they would stage shootings on campuses and now on a military base - people will foolishly clamor for gun control
• There is a large minority who would surrender all rights for so called 'safety'
• Nazi's, Soviets, North Korea, Khmer Rouge - US Calvary -  (versus Native Americans)
• Note -  it has happened in the USA before - - it can happen again
• 20 years after "Thanksgiving " the Puritan settlers at Plymouth disarmed the local Massachue indians before they massacred them and beheaded their leader known as King Philip, the educated English speaking son of the leader who first welcomed the poor new settlers - they left his head on a pike for 15 years in the town square .. so much for thanks for "Thanksgiving " ;
• and the Cherokee and the other Five Civilized Tribes as they were called, were all disarmed before the infamous but often US forgotten "trail of tears"..which murdered thousands of defenseless women and children
• • it was in New Orleans after Katrina and in Kansas after the F4 tornado that the so called authorities used gun registration lists to  
  • go house to house and seize legal weapons from US citizens ....in the name of 'safety'
• http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=970677

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• New Executive Order Signed by Obama Effectively Creates Structure of Military Governors for Martial Law
• January 12, 2010
    Hawk
• One must read this one closely but when it dawns on you that the 10 Governors to be appointed by the President will perhaps soon correspond to the 10 FEMA REGIONS and effectively will be under the Secretary of Defense and hence the President in a system of Regional Military Governors over all States, not just the States they might be from, you might just experience a chill up your spine.
• Note that then all States in essence have been taken over at least on paper by the President and will be administered Militarily.
• Read carefully Section -2 Functions,  of this Executive Order and you will clearly see how inclusive these functions can be....... especially Item e which has language sufficiently broad and loose that a Tank Battalion could be driven through it.
• Americans had better understand that this Executive Order along with all of those previously signed ,and  with Presidential Decision Directive 51 and others will be used to destroy the Constitution and Bill of Rights
• and to render each American effectively into nothing more than a member of a work gang subject to control of the Regional Military Governor who is under the Secdef who is under the President.
• Posse Comitatus then is dead, Habeas Corpus is dead, Bill of Rights is dead,
• and only the whims and subjective decisions of the Regional Military Governor, as directed by the President via the Secretary of Defense and executed by Northcom troopers who now include U.S. , Canadian, Mexican, and other Foreign troops as well as Mercenaries and the States' National Guards, Militias, and Police agencies will be the Iron Fist Rule of the Land.
• Is this what the Founding Fathers would be proud of or would they say we have come full circle and that now We the People should invoke the Declaration of Independence once again and be ready on Lexington Green and prepositioned at Concord Bridge ?
•  I think I know what Thomas Jefferson, Patrick Henry, Sam Adams, and old "Swamp Fox" would say.
• Here is the link to the PDF of the Executive Order. Read it and weep for America.

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