These are terrorists with known ties to Al Qaeda. If we can hosue them, surely we can handle people who likely aren't terrorists and against whom we have very little reliable evidence in the first place?
"No good purpose is served by allowing known terrorists, who trained at terrorist training camps, to come to the U.S. to live among us," said Rep. Lamar Smith (R-Tex.).
Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (Nev.) said Tuesday, before saying he was open to changing his position, "Part of what we don't want is them be put in prisons in the United States."
But the apocalyptic rhetoric rarely addresses this: Thirty-three international terrorists, many with ties to al-Qaeda, reside in a single federal prison in Florence, Colo., with little public notice.
These are terrorists with known ties to Al Qaeda. If we can hosue them, surely we can handle people who likely aren't terrorists and against whom we have very little reliable evidence in the first place?
Detained in the supermax facility in Colorado are Ramzi Yousef, who headed the group that carried out the first bombing of the World Trade Center in February 1993; Zacarias Moussaoui, convicted of conspiring in the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001; Ahmed Ressam, of the Dec. 31, 1999, Los Angeles airport millennium attack plots; Ahmed Omar Abu Ali, conspirator in several plots, including one to assassinate President George W. Bush; and Wadih el-Hage, convicted of the 1998 bombing of the U.S. Embassy in Kenya.
Inmates in Florence and those at the maximum-security disciplinary barracks at Fort Leavenworth, Kan., rarely see other prisoners. At Leavenworth, the toughest prisoners are allowed outside their cells only one hour a day when they are moved with their legs shackled and accompanied by three guards.
"We have a vast amount of experience in how to judge the continued incarceration of highly dangerous prisoners, since we do this with thousands of prisoners every month, all over the United States, including some really quite dangerous people," Philip D. Zelikow, who was counselor to Bush administration Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and executive director of the 9/11 Commission, told the Senate Judiciary Committee last week.
For many of the most serious terrorists and violent criminals, Justice Department and prison officials impose special restrictions, allowing few visitors, for example, and closely monitoring mail. The inmates also are kept in solitary confinement.
It renegs on the mutual agreement of civilization -- that there are somethings we must not to do each other under even the most extreme circumstances.
“She’s made some serious charges and should step aside until she proves them,” King told POLITICO.
Former Clinton adviser James Carville laughed off the suggestion. “People really like her, so the idea that they would dump Nancy Pelosi over a bad press conference is just ridiculous,” he said, adding, “I’m sure if she could have it back, she would have done the whole thing over.”
People close to Pelosi aren’t surprised by her unwillingness to give ground — even at the expense of her own image — saying she remains incensed at the Bush administration for misleading Congress on pre-Iraq war intelligence and its interrogation policy.
The CIA confirmed Wednesday that Pelosi has requested declassification of the notes from the 2002 briefing.
Well, we know that the president lied about Zubayah's importance and the information gained from his interrogation, which included "enhanced teghniques" long before they were "legalized" by the OLC memos, etc.
President Barack Obama declared defiantly Thursday that the U.S. "went off course" in fighting terrorism over the past eight years, and said his policies will "better protect" the country against al Qaeda.
In a remarkable split-screen presentation of opposing worldviews, former Vice President Dick Cheney spoke across town moments later, saying he supported the controversial policies "when they were made, and without hesitation would do so again in the same circumstances."
"The point is not to look backward," Cheney said. "A lot rides on our President’s understanding of the security policies that preceded him. And whatever choices he makes concerning the defense of this country, those choices should not be based on slogans and campaign rhetoric, but on a truthful telling of history."
Republicans were given fresh ammunition to attack the planned closure on Wednesday when Robert Mueller, the FBI director, voiced “concerns” about the prospect of detainees being brought to the US. On Tuesday, the Financial Times reported that the FBI had opposed a recommendation by Mr Obama’s Guantánamo task force to release two Chinese Uighurs in the US.
“The concerns we have about individuals who may support terrorism being in the US run from ... providing financing, radicalising others ... [to] the potential for individuals undertaking attacks in the US,” Mr Mueller told Congress.
An official, speaking on condition of anonymity because the person was not authorized to disclose the decision, told The Associated Press the administration has decided to bring Ghailani to trial in New York. He was indicted there for the 1998 bombings of U.S. embassies in
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The official said the administration plans to announce Thursday morning that Ghailani will be brought to trial for the embassy attacks. Justice Department spokesman Dean Boyd declined to comment.
The president had not decided where some of the detainees would be sent and a presidential commission was studying the issue, press secretary Robert Gibbs added.
In other developments
• FBI Director Robert Mueller told Congress detainees might "support terrorism" in the US if allowed to go free
• A federal judge said the US could continue to hold some prisoners at Guantanamo indefinitely without any charges
Obama administration officials insist the deadline for closing the camp will be met but many legislators say they need further convincing of White House plans to move many of the detainees on to the US mainland.
"The American people don't want these men walking the streets of America's neighbourhoods," Republican Senator John Thune said.
"The American people don't want these detainees held at a military base or federal prison in their backyard, either."
It there is enough evidence against them to detain them, then why should they be walking the streets of any neighborhood? Do we not have prisons secure enough to hold them? What about the maximum security prisons that are already holding convicted terrorists on the U.S. mainland?
Or is the evidence against them so flimsy (consiting of little more than the assertions of Afghan Forces or civilians who were paid $5,000 or more for turning them in, with nothing more than an accusation) or tainted (confesions obtained while the detainee was tortured) that it would never stand up in an American court of law? Is the danger, then, in bringing them to the mainland that they mighht end up in United States courts, where the standards of evidence and proof are higher.
Still, it would be reassuring if someone on Capitol Hill stood up and said, “Hey, we blew it.
“We knew – or should have known – that inexcusable things were being done behind closed doors, and we didn’t speak up. The whole country was enraged after 9/11 and terrified of al-Qaida, and we were, too. We lost sight of our values. No excuses.”
Too much to ask, we suppose
Defense Secretary Robert Gates says the Obama administration had no choice but to order the shutdown of the prison at Guantanamo because "the name itself is a condemnation" of U.S. anti-terrorism strategy. In an interview broadcast Friday on NBC's "Today" show, Gates called the facility on the island of Cuba "probably one of the finest prisons in the world today." But at the same time, he said it had become "a taint" on the reputation of America.
Gates has served both President George W. Bush and now Barack Obama at the Pentagon. In an interview taped Thursday aboard the retired World War II-era aircraft carrier USS Intrepid, the defense secretary said that once the decision was made to close Guantanamo, "the question is, where do you put them?" He said Obama would do nothing to endanger the public and said there has never been an escape from a "super-max" prison in this country.
Of criticism the president's plan would jeopardize people's safety, Gates said: "I think that one of the points ... was that he had no interest whatsoever in releasing publicly detainees who might come back to harm Americans."
While CIA officials have described him as an important insider whose disclosures under intense pressure saved lives, some FBI agents and analysts say he is largely a loudmouthed and mentally troubled hotelier whose credibility dropped as the CIA subjected him to a simulated drowning technique known as waterboarding and to other "enhanced interrogation" measures.
The question of whether Abu Zubaida -- whose real name is Zayn al-Abidin Muhammed Hussein -- was an unstable source who provided limited intelligence under gentle questioning, or a hardened terrorist who cracked under extremely harsh measures, goes to the heart of the current Washington debate over coercive interrogations and torture.
A public assessment of Abu Zubaida's case has been complicated by the newly revealed destruction of the videotaped record of his questioning, according to congressional sources. Intelligence officials say no verbatim transcripts were made, although classified daily summaries were prepared.
Bush has sided publicly with the CIA's version of events. "We knew that Zubaida had more information that could save innocent lives, but he stopped talking," Bush said in September 2006. "And so the CIA used an alternative set of procedures," which the president said prompted Abu Zubaida to disclose information leading to the capture of Sept. 11, 2001, plotter Ramzi Binalshibh.
But former FBI officials privy to details of the case continue to dispute the CIA's account of the effectiveness of the harsh measures, making the record of Abu Zubaida's interrogation hard for outsiders to assess.
In the end, though, not a single significant plot was foiled as a result of Abu Zubaida's tortured confessions, according to former senior government officials who closely followed the interrogations. Nearly all of the leads attained through the harsh measures quickly evaporated, while most of the useful information from Abu Zubaida -- chiefly names of al-Qaeda members and associates -- was obtained before waterboarding was introduced, they said.
Moreover, within weeks of his capture, U.S. officials had gained evidence that made clear they had misjudged Abu Zubaida. President George W. Bush had publicly described him as "al-Qaeda's chief of operations," and other top officials called him a "trusted associate" of al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden and a major figure in the planning of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. None of that was accurate, the new evidence showed.
Let's face it, Vice President Dick Cheney didn't just have the President's ear, it is pretty clear he had President Bush by the ear. Take this exchange with CBS News anchor Bob Schieffer on Face the Nation this past Sunday about enhanced interrogation techniques:
Schieffer: "You approved this?"
Cheney: "Right."
Schieffer: "Did President Bush know everything you knew?
Cheney: "I certainly, yes, have every reason to believe he knew -- he knew a great deal about the program. He basically authorized it. I mean, this was a presidential-level decision. And the decision went to the president. He signed off on it."
He "basically authorized it?" It sounds like back then Cheney said, "Just sign here George and don't worry, I got your back." Only now it is clear Cheney is saying, "If you go after me, you got to go after Bush too!"
The United Nations Convention Against Torture, of which America is a signatory, says, "any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him, or a third person, information or a confession" is torture. Further, torture is illegal under U.S. law, and "The Army Field Manual" specifies that waterboarding is prohibited.
Clearly the OLC was instructed by the White House to manufacture guidelines under which waterboarding would not be torture. In other words, harsh enough to have an impact but gentle enough so as not to cause pain. Journalist Christopher Hitchens underwent waterboarding for a Vanity Fair article last August and his conclusion was, "If waterboarding does not constitute torture, then there is no such thing as torture." So much for legality.
Whether waterboarding worked or not appears to be, at best, a jump ball. Most experts believe that torture does not work because prisoners lie. But Dick Cheney is emphatic that waterboarding did work, and he says four former directors of the CIA agree. As Cheney told Schieffer, "No regrets. I think it was absolutely the right thing to do. I'm convinced, absolutely convinced, that we saved thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands of lives."