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  • Oct 04, 11

    Take a look at the translations.  I find them astounding!!   Do we want our children to believe that secular government is to be submitted to, or God?   Read the translations and then the articles.

    romans13.embassyofheaven.com/translationcomp.htm

      • Actually, read more and find out who Paul was really talking to. And therefore what it really means.

    • For  the policeman does not frighten people who are doing right; but those  doing evil will always fear him. So if you don't want to be afraid,  keep the laws and you will get along well.

  • Oct 04, 11

    This says it all

    romans13.embassyofheaven.com/2minute.htm

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      The Two Minute Rebuttal

       

      Romans 13

       

      Let's say Apostle Paul was telling the Church, "Be subject to  the secular government," which at that time was the Roman Empire. And he was  also saying, "Rome is not a terror to good works, but to the evil. The Roman  centurion does not swing his sword in vain. Therefore, do good and you shall  have praise of the same."

       

      I pose only one question, Why was Apostle Paul beheaded by a  Roman Centurion if he was preaching, "Be subject to Rome"? The Roman government  would have no cause to behead him.

       

      On the other hand, if Paul was beheaded because he was an  "evildoer," why is an "evildoer" writing in our Holy Book? We better purge him  out of there. We better clean up the Holy Scriptures. We better remove Romans 13  because it was written by an "evildoer."

       

      No, I don't believe for a minute that Paul was telling the  Church to be subject to the Roman Empire. Nor do I believe Paul was an evildoer.  Paul was beheaded for promoting a rival government. It has to be. The secular  authorities killed him because he was establishing another government, the  Kingdom of Heaven.

       

      Paul would be a hypocrite if he were saying to obey the  secular authorities in Romans 13. It is inconsistent with his other writings. In  Romans 12, Paul tells us, "do not be conformed to this world" (Romans 12:2).  Obeying the secular authorities certainly means conforming to the world. In 2  Corinthians, Chapter 6:14-17, Paul says, "Be ye not unequally yoked together  with unbelievers, for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? .  . . Come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not  the unclean thing; and I will receive you." We cannot cut our ties with the  world and still be subject to them. "We ought to obey God rather than men" (Acts  5:29).

  • Oct 04, 11

    Another good overall explanation using the bible as a whole, but not discrediting the individual scripture.

    romans13.embassyofheaven.com/understanding.htm

  • Oct 04, 11

    Typo I think the focus of our government in america, although touched upon, was not made clear. And that is We the people are the government and authority, to which our elected and hired officials must answer and be submissive to. Our, form of government was obviously given to us by God. We ARE squandering what was given.

    www.youtube.com/watch

  • Oct 03, 11

    www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm

    • For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;              
        
          Tts 1:8          But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate;              
        
          Tts 1:9          Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.
    • For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:              
        
          Tts 1:11          Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.              
        
          Tts 1:12          One of themselves, [even] a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians [are] alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.              
        
          Tts 1:13          This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;

  • Oct 03, 11

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    • And the high priest Ananias commanded them that stood by him to smite him on the mouth.              
        
          Act 23:3          Then said Paul unto him, God shall smite thee, [thou] whited wall: for sittest thou to judge me after the law, and commandest me to be smitten contrary to the law?              
        
          Act 23:4          And they that stood by said, Revilest thou God's high priest?              
        
          Act 23:5          Then said Paul, I wist not, brethren, that he was the high priest: for it is written, Thou shalt not speak evil of the ruler of thy people.

  • Oct 03, 11

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    • [[To the chief Musician, Altaschith, Michtam of David.]] Do ye indeed speak righteousness, O congregation? do ye judge uprightly, O ye sons of men?

  • Oct 03, 11

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    • The prince that wanteth understanding [is] also a great oppressor: [but] he that hateth covetousness shall prolong [his] days.

  • Oct 03, 11

    Blessed be the LORD thy God, which delighted in thee, to set thee on the throne of Israel: because the LORD loved Israel for ever, therefore made he thee king, to do judgment and justice.

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    • Blessed be the LORD thy God, which delighted in thee, to set thee on the throne of Israel: because the LORD loved Israel for ever, therefore mad
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