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Subject: Re:Citing an indirect or secondary source Topic: Questions on content to Instructor Author: Martha Buckbee Date: February 19, 2010 5:49 PM I'm sorry if this has been asked earlier, but I have not been able to locate it, if it has. I am evaluating Resource #2 for evaluation #3. The author uses and cites material from another source that I may include in my evaluation. Is this what the APA manual is referring to in section 6.17 Secondary Sources and the Owl Purdue refers to in Citing indirect sources? Would the citation be something like Severson identified these principles........ (as cited in Dow, 2008)? Also, would the Severson source information need to be listed in the Reference section at the end of the evaluation or is the citation in the text of the evaluation sufficient?
***You have it right... Severson ....(as cited in ....) Only provide a reference for Severson if you actually read a work by Severson and use information directly from that work.In Reply to: Citing an indirect or secondary source
I'm sorry if this has been asked earlier, but I have not been able to locate it, if it has. I am evaluating Resource #2 for evaluation #3. The author uses and cites material from another source that I may include in my evaluation. Is this what the APA manual is referring to in section 6.17 Secondary Sources and the Owl Purdue refers to in Citing indirect sources? Would the citation be something like Severson identified these principles........ (as cited in Dow, 2008)? Also, would the Severson source information need to be listed in the Reference section at the end of the evaluation or is the citation in the text of the evaluation sufficient?
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Subject: Re:Citing an indirect or secondary source Topic: Questions on content to Instructor Author: Martha Buckbee 
Date: February 19, 2010 5:49 PM I'm sorry if this has been asked earlier, but I have not been able to locate it, if it has. I am evaluating Resource #2 for evaluation #3. The author uses and cites material from another source that I may include in my evaluation. Is this what the APA manual is referring to in section 6.17 Secondary Sources and the Owl Purdue refers to in Citing indirect sources? Would the citation be something like Severson identified these principles........ (as cited in Dow, 2008)? Also, would the Severson source information need to be listed in the Reference section at the end of the evaluation or is the citation in the text of the evaluation sufficient?
***You have it right... Severson ....(as cited in ....) Only provide a reference for Severson if you actually read a work by Severson and use information directly from that work.
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Previous Message Subject: Re:Citing my website Topic: Questions on content to Instructor Author: Barbara Schultz-Jones 
Date: February 10, 2010 11:20 PM There aren't really paragraphs on my AASL website. How should I cite things on this site?
**You then revert to a Heading
Is it ok to use the abbreviated: (AASL, 2010) only, since I will spell it all out in the citation at the top of the assignment?
**Yes, that is appropriate.
Should I use a subtitle in the parenthesis to identify where it was located on the website?
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Previous Message Subject: Re:Citing my website Topic: Questions on content to Instructor Author: Barbara Schultz-Jones Date: February 10, 2010 11:20 PM There aren't really paragraphs on my AASL website. How should I cite things on this site?
**You then revert to a Heading
Is it ok to use the abbreviated: (AASL, 2010) only, since I will spell it all out in the citation at the top of the assignment?
**Yes, that is appropriate.
Should I use a subtitle in the parenthesis to identify where it was located on the website?
**Yes, anything that a reader can use to directionally orient themselves to where the quotation is located.
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Previous Message | Next Message Subject: Re:Citing my website Topic: Questions on content to Instructor Author: Barbara Schultz-Jones Date: February 10, 2010 11:59 AM I also have a question about citing the author for my web site. I am evaluating the Workbook for Selection Policy Writing. At the top it has Office for Intellectual Freedom, American Library Association. Is that how I would list it in the citation or would it just be Office of Intellectual Freedom? Then, for the parenthetical citations, would the author be listed the same way?
**It would be Office of Intellectual Freedom and the author would be the same for parenthetical citations. The author in the parenthetical citations should agree with how the author is presented in the reference list. That way, when a reader sees who is being referenced in the text, they can quickly go to the reference list for the corresponding full entry, with the full details on how to locate the referenced item. They work together in that sense. -
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Previous Message | Next Message Subject: Re:Citing my website Topic: Questions on content to Instructor Author: Barbara Schultz-Jones Date: February 10, 2010 11:59 AM I also have a question about citing the author for my web site. I am evaluating the Workbook for Selection Policy Writing. At the top it has Office for Intellectual Freedom, American Library Association. Is that how I would list it in the citation or would it just be Office of Intellectual Freedom? Then, for the parenthetical citations, would the author be listed the same way?
**It would be Office of Intellectual Freedom and the author would be the same for parenthetical citations. The author in the parenthetical citations should agree with how the author is presented in the reference list. That way, when a reader sees who is being referenced in the text, they can quickly go to the reference list for the corresponding full entry, with the full details on how to locate the referenced item. They work together in that sense.
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Previous Message | Next Message Subject: Re:Evaluation #2 Clarification Topic: Questions on content to Instructor Author: Barbara Schultz-Jones Date: February 11, 2010 6:24 PM So even if I paraphrase or directly quote information from journals or links from the website, I would not use that journal or link in my parenthetical or non-parenthetical citations, I would still use the web site citation? Is that correct?
**If you name the link in terms of stating that those links are available, then the citation is for the website on which those links exist. If you actually paraphrase or directly quote from the articles linked, then you must cite the author and date for that article. It depends on how you are presenting the information. Does that make sense?
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Previous Message | Next Message Subject: Re:Evaluation #2 Clarification Topic: Questions on content to Instructor Author: Barbara Schultz-Jones Date: February 10, 2010 11:22 PM Thank you for the clarification. If I do evaluate the overall website as a whole and name specific surveys and reports I would assume that I would need to include them in the references at the end of the evaluation; however, if I name various publications that have links on this website such as School Library Journal, and do not include specific article information, do I need to include reference information for them as well?
**Since they are all located on the website itself, the citation for the website serves as the place to go to locate the information so it isn't necessary to provide a reference for any of them. -
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Previous Message | Next Message Subject: Re:Evaluation #2 Clarification Topic: Questions on content to Instructor Author: Barbara Schultz-Jones Date: February 10, 2010 11:22 PM Thank you for the clarification. If I do evaluate the overall website as a whole and name specific surveys and reports I would assume that I would need to include them in the references at the end of the evaluation; however, if I name various publications that have links on this website such as School Library Journal, and do not include specific article information, do I need to include reference information for them as well?
**Since they are all located on the website itself, the citation for the website serves as the place to go to locate the information so it isn't necessary to provide a reference for any of them.
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Previous Message | Next Message Subject: Re:Resource #11 Topic: Questions on content to Instructor Author: Barbara Schultz-Jones Date: February 10, 2010 11:26 PM I am completely befuddled on who the author of this site is. At the bottom of one of the pages, it lists contributors, people that helped, and many other things. Who would I list as the author?
**At the bottom of the first page/home page see:
Citation: Arizona State Library, Archives and Public Records. Collection Development Training for Arizona Public Libraries. 2008. http://www.lib.az.us/cdt
make sure the citation is in APA format and use it - they are telling you how they want the authorship credited. -
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Previous Message | Next Message Subject: Re:Resource #11 Topic: Questions on content to Instructor Author: Barbara Schultz-Jones Date: February 10, 2010 11:26 PM I am completely befuddled on who the author of this site is. At the bottom of one of the pages, it lists contributors, people that helped, and many other things. Who would I list as the author?
**At the bottom of the first page/home page see:
Citation: Arizona State Library, Archives and Public Records. Collection Development Training for Arizona Public Libraries. 2008. http://www.lib.az.us/cdt
make sure the citation is in APA format and use it - they are telling you how they want the authorship credited.
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Previous Message | Next Message Subject: Re:Couple of Questions Topic: Questions on content to Instructor Author: Barbara Schultz-Jones Date: February 13, 2010 3:58 PM (1) Forgive me if this question has been posted before. I've gone through all previous posts and can't find it. I located the article I'm reviewing by using Wilson Web on UNT's library website. I cannot find it online, nor can I find a DOI. Is it enough to simply say: Retrieved from Wilson Web online database.
**Yes, that is fine.
(2) When posting our evaluation #2, is the Eval # the number of the article we are reviewing, or do we all title it #2 followed by the title of the article?
**All title it #2 so we can keep them grouped together. Thanks! -
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Previous Message | Next Message Subject: Re:Couple of Questions Topic: Questions on content to Instructor Author: Barbara Schultz-Jones Date: February 13, 2010 3:58 PM (1) Forgive me if this question has been posted before. I've gone through all previous posts and can't find it. I located the article I'm reviewing by using Wilson Web on UNT's library website. I cannot find it online, nor can I find a DOI. Is it enough to simply say: Retrieved from Wilson Web online database.
**Yes, that is fine.
(2) When posting our evaluation #2, is the Eval # the number of the article we are reviewing, or do we all title it #2 followed by the title of the article?
**All title it #2 so we can keep them grouped together. Thanks!
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Previous Message Subject: Re:Use of brackets within a quotation Topic: Questions on content to Instructor Author: Barbara Schultz-Jones Date: February 3, 2010 11:18 AM In my article evaluation I am including a quote in which the author uses acronyms. Earlier in the article the author includes what the acronym stands for, but doesn’t do so within the quote I am using. I feel that I need to make sure that my readers know what the acronym stands for, so would it be correct to use brackets since the APA manual indicates that brackets can be used for material inserted in a quotation by some person other than the original writer? For example “……simple ICT [Information and Communication Technology] related problems……”
**Excellent question. Yes, very appropriate to insert the full title in square brackets. And as we learned in cataloging, square brackets indicate that you inserted the information. -
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Previous Message Subject: Re:Use of brackets within a quotation Topic: Questions on content to Instructor Author: Barbara Schultz-Jones Date: February 3, 2010 11:18 AM In my article evaluation I am including a quote in which the author uses acronyms. Earlier in the article the author includes what the acronym stands for, but doesn’t do so within the quote I am using. I feel that I need to make sure that my readers know what the acronym stands for, so would it be correct to use brackets since the APA manual indicates that brackets can be used for material inserted in a quotation by some person other than the original writer? For example “……simple ICT [Information and Communication Technology] related problems……”
**Excellent question. Yes, very appropriate to insert the full title in square brackets. And as we learned in cataloging, square brackets indicate that you inserted the information.
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Previous Message | Next Message Subject: Re:goofy question Topic: Questions on content to Instructor Author: Barbara Schultz-Jones Date: February 4, 2010 3:24 PM The title of my article ends with an exclamation mark. When using it in a sentence, do I include this punctuation? It really makes my sentences look funny, and Word definitely doesn't like it.
**Chuckle, yes you include it. And Word doesn't like a lot of things we try to do with text! -
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Previous Message | Next Message Subject: Re:goofy question Topic: Questions on content to Instructor Author: Barbara Schultz-Jones Date: February 4, 2010 3:24 PM The title of my article ends with an exclamation mark. When using it in a sentence, do I include this punctuation? It really makes my sentences look funny, and Word definitely doesn't like it.
**Chuckle, yes you include it. And Word doesn't like a lot of things we try to do with text!
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Previous Message | Next Message Subject: Re:retrieval dates in electronic references Topic: Questions on content to Instructor Author: Kristi Starr Date: February 4, 2010 3:07 PM Thanks, Shelley. I came across similar info in the "APA Style Guide to Electronic References". I think that clarifies it for me ("think" being the operative word). I'm thinking that a published report, though it appears on a web site and the site could change, wouldn't need to have the retrieval date specified because the report itself won't change. Given that the web site link appears to have held steady for a while and should continue to do so, I think I'm safe without the date.
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Previous Message Subject: Re:parenthetical citations Topic: Questions on content to Instructor Author: Barbara Schultz-Jones Date: February 5, 2010 10:43 PM So when I do my parenthetical citation would it look like this? (Name of university, n.d.)
**Yes, that's correct.
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Previous Message | Next Message Subject: Re:Citation question before posting Topic: Questions on content to Instructor Author: Barbara Schultz-Jones Date: February 7, 2010 1:35 PM I found it necessary to use another source (a website) to prove that the creators of the article I evaluated are credible. I included a quote from the site and want to make sure I'm citing it correctly:
The website of the Consortium for School Networking (CoSN) (2010) indicates that this organization was created in 1992 with a membership which includes “technology leaders, policy makers, and decision makers from the public and private sectors” who have a mission to improve teaching and learning through the integration of technology (Consortium for School Networking).
**Not quite. Since you introduce the quote by stating where it comes from you don't need to repeat the source following the qutotation. BUT, you do need to identify the location of the quotation immediately following the last set of quotation marks. In a journal article that would tbe page number (p. X) but in a website it would be the paragraph number, or heading or some distinguishing location that a reader could easily find on that website. So you should have private sectors" (para. #) for example.
If I understand correctly, this is how I cite the source since I am quoting from it directly. Were I paraphrasing, it would be something like:
The website of the Consortium for School Networking (CoSN) (2010) indicates that this organization was created in 1992 with a membership which includes leaders, policy makers, and decision makers from numerous public and private organizations who have a mission to improve teaching and learning through the integration of technology. Is this correct?
**Yes, for a paraphrase this is correct.
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Author: Barbara Schultz-Jones Date: February 7, 2010 4:03 PM
No, don't leave it in lowercase when citing or when referring to it in your evaluation.-
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Next Message Subject: citation Topic: Questions on content to Instructor Author: Mona Mendoza Date: February 7, 2010 3:09 PM When an article title in a publication purposely begins with a lowercase letter (in my case the article is "a whole new library..."), do I leave the first word in lowercase when citing? How about when referring to it in my evaluation?
Thanks in advance for your help.
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Next Message Subject: citation Topic: Questions on content to Instructor Author: Mona Mendoza Date: February 7, 2010 3:09 PM When an article title in a publication purposely begins with a lowercase letter (in my case the article is "a whole new library..."), do I leave the first word in lowercase when citing? How about when referring to it in my evaluation?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Mona Mendoza
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Previous Message | Next Message Subject: Re:Guide to Electronic Resources Help Topic: Questions on content to Instructor Author: Barbara Schultz-Jones Date: January 31, 2010 12:54 PM Until I get this source to help me, can I feel comfortable using the OWL Purdue Writing lab site? http://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/560/01/
I've always found this a great site to help me with citing sources.
**Yes, the web site is a good source to use. -
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Previous Message | Next Message Subject: Re:Guide to Electronic Resources Help Topic: Questions on content to Instructor Author: Barbara Schultz-Jones Date: January 31, 2010 12:54 PM Until I get this source to help me, can I feel comfortable using the OWL Purdue Writing lab site? http://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/560/01/
I've always found this a great site to help me with citing sources.
**Yes, the web site is a good source to use.
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Previous Message | Next Message Subject: Re:Just stick to the Rubric Topic: Questions on content to Instructor Author: Barbara Schultz-Jones Date: January 31, 2010 8:51 PM As long as we stick to the rubric for our article evaluations we should be fine...but I was looking for a list of items (student name, student id #, course name, date, etc) that needs to be included in out evaluations...is there such a list of requirements?
**The only requirements are what is stated in the rubric: Student name, and Post to your discussion forum as a Word 97-2003 attachment using the subject - "Eval#_Title of the article/web site" ; the attachment file uses the filename - "LastName_Initial of First Name_Eval##_Title". -
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Previous Message | Next Message Subject: Re:Just stick to the Rubric Topic: Questions on content to Instructor Author: Barbara Schultz-Jones Date: January 31, 2010 8:51 PM As long as we stick to the rubric for our article evaluations we should be fine...but I was looking for a list of items (student name, student id #, course name, date, etc) that needs to be included in out evaluations...is there such a list of requirements?
**The only requirements are what is stated in the rubric: Student name, and Post to your discussion forum as a Word 97-2003 attachment using the subject - "Eval#_Title of the article/web site" ; the attachment file uses the filename - "LastName_Initial of First Name_Eval##_Title".
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Previous Message | Next Message Subject: Re:Evals to Turnitin Topic: Questions on content to Instructor Author: Barbara Schultz-Jones Date: February 1, 2010 9:21 PM I was setting up my calendar and noticed (from the course calendar) that there were two dates for submitting evaluations to Turnitin. It is listed on February 28 and again on March 7. Is February 28 our personal article evaluations and March 7 our response evaluations? I need a little clarification. Thank you.
**If you look at the schedule link on the homepage it's clearer. You have one week to submit the evaluations to turnitin, from Feb. 28 to March 7. You only submit your evaluations, not the responses. And you copy and paste your evaluations into one long word document to submit them. You submit the original version of your evaluations, not an edited version with our comments. -
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Previous Message | Next Message Subject: Re:Evals to Turnitin Topic: Questions on content to Instructor Author: Barbara Schultz-Jones Date: February 1, 2010 9:21 PM I was setting up my calendar and noticed (from the course calendar) that there were two dates for submitting evaluations to Turnitin. It is listed on February 28 and again on March 7. Is February 28 our personal article evaluations and March 7 our response evaluations? I need a little clarification. Thank you.
**If you look at the schedule link on the homepage it's clearer. You have one week to submit the evaluations to turnitin, from Feb. 28 to March 7. You only submit your evaluations, not the responses. And you copy and paste your evaluations into one long word document to submit them. You submit the original version of your evaluations, not an edited version with our comments.
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