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24 Oct 09

interop between StatusNet and Twitter, etc. — conversation — Identi.ca

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OpenMicroBlogging interop Twitter StatusNet Identi.ca 2009 2009-10 2009-10-24

working on closer integration
post to identica and Twitter to talk to both
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- listen to both
- I only post on identi.ca
- s/times reply on twitter
- I use Adium beta to work with: Identi.ca and other StatusNet servers, Twitter, Jabber chat rooms and IM services
  - and I wish for Adium to post to collections on Chandler Hub, which provides CalDAV and other services. - on 2009-10-24
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- #twitter stream is handled a special queue
- not like other OMB sources
- hopefly #Twitter
- open their eyes and join !OMB group
- allow *true* interaction
- until then all we can do, is HACK IT
- its disabled server-wide
- only thing wrong on current #identi.ca server is
- makes the user think it will import the twitter timeline
- Twitter have no interest in OMB or joining the federation
- struggling to 'monetize'
- join on IRC
  - irc://irc.freenode.net/#statusnet - on 2009-10-24
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- properly discuss this
- a bug on Trac wishing for a way to sub to Context
- takes time and work
- a better !OMB implementation
- please join the group and help us improve it

15 Oct 09

Twitter use of bit.ly mars the TinyURL route to Diigo Meta

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interop problem Share This Twitter TinyURL bit.ly share 2009

invitation to Google Wave in exchange for development of one simple web page
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13 Aug 09

28 Jul 09

Doug Mahugh : Standards-Based Interoperability

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interop standard ODF Excel spreadsheet OpenFormula 2009 Office Open XML

Diagrams here are eye-catching. - grahamperrin on 2009-07-28

Standards-Based Interoperability
05 June 09
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- Interoperability without Standards
- First, let’s consider how software interoperability works when it is not standards-based.
  
  Consider the various ways that four applications can share data, as shown in the diagram to the right. There are six connections between these four applications, and each connection can be traversed in either direction, so there are 12 total types of interoperability involved.
- As the number of applications increases, this complexity grows rapidly. Double the number of applications to 8 total, and there will be 56 types of interoperability between them:
- All complex software has bugs, and some bugs can present significant challenges to interoperability. Let’s consider the case that 3 of the 4 applications have bugs that affect interoperability, as shown in the diagram to the right.
- Here’s where those workarounds will need to be implemented:
  
  Note the complexity of this diagram.
- In the real world, interoperability is almost never achieved in this way. Standards-based interoperability is much better approach for everyone involved,
- whether that standard is an open one such as ODF (IS26300)
- or Open XML (IS29500)
- or a de-facto standard set by one popular implementation.
- each application implements the published standard as written, and this provides a baseline for delivering interoperability.
- The core premise of open standards-based interoperability is this:
- the existence of a standard addresses many of the issues involved, and the other issues can be addressed
- through standards maintenance, transparency of implementation details, and collaborative interoperability testing.
  - Issues relating to CalDAV are well addressed in these ways. - on 2009-07-28
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- In the standards-based scenario, the standard itself is the central mechanism for enabling interoperability between implementations:
  
  This diagram is much simpler
- How this all applies to Office 2007 SP2
  
  I covered last summer the set of guiding principles that we used to guide the work we did to support ODF in Office 2007 SP2.
- applied in a specific order
- I’d like to revisit the top two guiding principles
- Guiding Principle #1: Adhere to the ODF 1.1 Standard
- Guiding Principle #2: Be Predictable
- Being predictable is also known as the principle of least astonishment.
- What about Bugs and Deviations?
  
  Of course, the existence of a published standard doesn’t prevent interoperability bugs from occurring.
- deviations from the requirements
- different interpretations
- Our approach to the transparency issue has been to document the details of our implementation through published implementer notes.
- Interoperability Testing
  
  The final piece of the puzzle is hands-on testing
- What else would you like to know about how Office approaches document format interoperability?
- a standard (evolved and improved as reality demands) is the proper foundation for resolving interoperabilty
- there is no question that users of other products are massively surprised by
- (1) their spreadsheets having their formulas lost when interchanged with Excel 2007
- (2) not being able to handle the formulase received in Excel 2007's ODF output.
- I am creating my own fantasy about the state of affairs
  - :-) - on 2009-07-28
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- I cannot fault the Microsoft approach as incorrect
- it is far too early to declare it to be unsuccessful
- I was at the year-ago DII meeting where the guiding principles were announced and their application to spreadsheet formulas described. I applauded the principles and understood the reasoning for formulas.
- How this would impact various groups of users and non-users (who still want to interoperate) of Office 2007 did not surface in my consciousness.
- there is NO published standard for ODF spreadsheet formulas yet.
- Nor is there any de-facto standard that everyone agrees on.
- the “spaghetti diagram" method, with all of the complexity and risk of bugs that entails
- No implementer we know of has attempted that
- In the case of spreadsheet formulas, help is on the way -- OpenFormula is under development for use with ODF 1.2.
- I’d like to keep this thread on-topic
- I appreciate the post, very good
- Visually I would rather frame it in terms of convergence, a spiral.
- and user satisfaction.
- I doubt someone would ever find a magic bullet to interoperability
- New Comments to this post are disabled
  - Hurrah! - on 2009-07-28
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- © 2009 Microsoft Corporation

13 Jul 09

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05 Jun 09

Events — Chandler2 documentation

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event interop iCalendar Chandler (PIM) 2009

a True value for any_time should be treated just like
all_day
any_time isn’t defined in iCalendar

01 Jun 09

Introduction ‎(Google Wave Federation Protocol)‎

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Google Wave Google Wave Federation Protocol interop open source federate protocol 2009

Google Wave Federation Protocol
for sharing waves between wave providers
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- anyone can build a wave server and interoperate
- open source, production-quality, reference implementation of the Google Wave client and server
- open federation endpoint

23 May 09

Bug 12579 – A note added to Hub by Chandler Quick Entry gadget, added to calendar and rescheduled in Hub, alarmed, is missing from calendar in iCal

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Cosmo Chandler Hub note Desktop iCal To Do Item todo event calendar workflow CalDAV interop Apple Inc. Chandler (PIM) 2009

Bugs 12459 and 12579 concern notes that originate on Chandler Hub.

Please expand annotations alongside 12459 for a more comprehensive view. - grahamperrin on 2009-01-11

Bug 12459 - A note (represented as a To Do Item in Apple iCal 3) added to a calendar in Chandler fails to appear in the calendar in iCal

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Cosmo Chandler Hub note Desktop iCal To Do Item todo event calendar workflow CalDAV interop diigodisorder Apple Inc. Chandler (PIM) 2009

Bugs 12459 and 12579 concern notes that originate on Chandler Hub. - grahamperrin on 2009-01-11
For users of iCal who have refreshing CalDAV communication with Chandler Hub: notes that are added to the calendar (in Chandler) will almost certainly fail to appear in the calendar (in iCal).

Any calendar that fails to show events is a major interop issue.

Resolution/workaround may require attention from Apple. I do not assume a bug in Chandler Hub/Server alone.

It should be interesting to compare with another CalDAV client that supports VTODO (Google Calendar does not). - grahamperrin on 2009-01-11
I'll proceed to report a bug to Apple, with reference to selected URLs:

https://bugzilla.osafoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12459
http://www.diigo.com/list/grahamperrin/osaf-votes | Bug 12459 | Expand
https://bugzilla.osafoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12579
http://markmail.org/message/cwzxyjgsoxgzi4du - grahamperrin on 2009-01-11
Bug reported to Apple, radr://6487928

I'll proceed to test with Sunbird 0.9. - grahamperrin on 2009-01-11
Update: http://n2.nabble.com/-tp1660163p2144113.html - grahamperrin on 2009-01-12

Bug 12460 – An event added in Chandler, then removed from calendar (remaining as a note) persists as an event in Apple iCal 3

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Cosmo Chandler Hub note Desktop iCal To Do Item todo event calendar workflow CalDAV interop Apple Inc. Chandler (PIM) 2009

Bugs 12459 and 12579 concern notes that originate on Chandler Hub.

This bug 12460 concerns events that originate on Chandler Hub. Here, too, there is an interop issue with Apple iCal but the risk of incidence should less; removing a note from the calendar (conversion of an event to a To Do Item) is probably a less common workflow. - grahamperrin on 2009-01-11

08 Feb 09

Ma.gnolia

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backup recovery unread Diigo interop 2009

Summer of 2009
new Ma.gnolia

11 Jan 09

Bug 12491 – [Exchange] Message-ID: <13096991546.1228738983670@delivery.net> moved to Chandler Events but not gained by Chandler Desktop

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Microsoft Exchange Chandler Desktop interop Chandler (PIM) 2009

Microsoft Exchange service may be a factor.

Amongst the e-mail services offered to CENTRIM and SPRU at Freeman Centre: for CENTRIM users, Exchange service is primary.

So: I have a special interest in any bug in which Exchange may be a factor. - grahamperrin on 2009-01-11

07 Jan 09

Forum for iCal4OL & Print4OL / iCal4OL 2.7.0 with integrated CalDAV-Server (!!) for Outlook

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Microsoft Outlook interop CalDAV 2009

CALDAV SERVER is integrated to SHARE your Outlook Calendar (and Tasks) with clients
- AFAICT this is iCal4OL providing CalDAV service (available to clients only whilst your computer is connected to the Internet, with firewall exceptions et cetera) — not communicating your Outlook data with a higher-availability CalDAV server elsewhere. - on 2009-01-07
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Is Outlook fast enough for this? No

ICS4OL: iCalendar Feeds for Outlook - subscribe to remote calendars

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iCalendar Microsoft Outlook interop 2009

ICS4OL is a Freeware, which allows to subcribe calendars (iCalendar feeds or ICS files) with MS-Outlook
feeds are added as sub-calendars of the main calendar
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- no tasks

24 Dec 08

OpenOffice.org integration [Zotero Documentation]

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Zotero OpenOffice.org interop Mac OS X unread Python (programming language) 2008

Users of OpenOffice.org 3.0 for Mac OS X should pay attention to the patching recommendation — BEFORE attempting to extend their OOo installation! - grahamperrin on 2008-12-24

Native support will not be restored until OOo 3.1 is released
Python support is broken in OpenOffice 3.0 on OS X
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- Mac users can also use
- NeoOffice
  - http://www.neooffice.org/ - on 2008-12-24
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Zotero portable solutions [Zotero Documentation]

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Zotero interop multiple users concurrent 2008

the current version of Zotero does not support multiple users
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Zotero interop 2008

Using Zotero Across Multiple Machines
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Bug 12579 – A note added to Hub by Chandler Quick Entry gadget, added to calendar and rescheduled in Hub, alarmed, is missing from calendar in iCal

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