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Is SproutCore worth the Flash and Java iPhone snub? | Tim Andersen: The Register

It turns out that SproutCore is not just a JavaScript framework. It is also a set of development tools, written in Ruby, that generate HTML and JavaScript from templates. The project also includes a test framework and a build tool that generates optimized code ready for upload to a web server. A SproutCore application is deployed as static files; Ruby is not used at runtime.

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Download OpenLaszlo: Thanks! | OpenLaszlo

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WebKit and the Future of the Open Web

I reformatted my response to marbux concerning HTML5 and web application lack of interoperability. The original article these comments were posted to is titled, <a href="http://mondaybynoon.com/2008/06/30/siding-with-html-over-xhtml-my-decision-to-switch/#comment-2042">"Siding with HTML over XHTML, My Decision to Switch.... "</a>.

Tags: webkit, OpenWeb, HTML5, RiA, CSS3, WHATWG, W3C on 2008-07-10 -All Annotations (0) -About

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Nine Silverlight 2 Features Guaranteed to Break the Web | Steve Apiki- RiA Develpoment Center

This site should be called the Silverlight Developers Center.

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Keep an Open Eye » Silverlight Full Court Press

very important discussion on RiA and the standards implementation of HTML-CSS-DOM-JavaScript technologies. Excellent!

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Microsoft has long sought to take control of the Web formats, protocols and itnerfaces implemented by their software systems, developer frameworks and services. The Silverlight-XAML combination is a dramatic break for the past routine of implementing corrupt extensions of W3C standards. The WPF set of technologies represents a clear alternative to the Web formats, protocos and interfaces the rest of the Web uses. I would also say that Microsoft's limited support of DOM, JavaScript and CSS in IE8 will act to "limit" the complexitiy of documents non Microsoft servers work with. This carves out a "complexity" niche for Microsoft systems. For instance, consider the complexity of MSOffice documents. IE8 will be able to fully display an interactive-collaborative computing interface for MSOffice-OOXML docuemnts converted to XAML. IE8 will not support a CSS-DOM-JavaScript representation of these same documents. The proprietary Silverlight-XAML docuemnt model will break the Web because of the integration with 95% of the world's business desktops.
post by garyedwards on 2008-06-30 17:03:51
WebClient?
post by garyedwards on 2008-06-30 17:33:40
Nine Silverlight Features that will Break the Web:
1. HTML DOM Integration
2. JSON Serialization
3. Styles and Templates
4. Local Storage
5. Databinding
6. Generics
7. ItemsControls
8. Layout Management
9. WebClient
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Remember the crucial test for an RIA is will the app run offline and online on every platform its used on. Like Microsoft’s current support for HTML/CSS/DOM standards, Redmond is the most seriously deficient of RIA providers as well. Beginning to sound like a broken record ? Well lets see exactly what Redmond is promoting.

What Developers Should be Demanding of Redmond

Steve Apiki has written a piece on Nine Silverlight 2 Features Not to Be Missed. Here is what Web 2.0 developers should be demanding of Microsoft before they even consider Silverlight

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Nokia and Google: Too much emphasis on the mobile OS? | ge TalkBack on ZDNet

Response to questions about RiA vs AJAX.

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Nokia and Google: Too much emphasis on the mobile OS? | ge TalkBack on ZDNet

Interesting discussion about a universal web application layer able to wrok across devices, browsers and web service systems. I reponded with a very lengthy post about WebKit.

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The new UI wars: Why there’s no Flash on iPhone 2.0 « counternotions

this article takes the RiA discussion to an entirely new level - the battle between Apple, Adobe and Microsoft to control the future user interface (UI). Adobe Flash extends the aging WiMP model, trying to create a "UI Convergence" across many platforms through the Flash RiA. With iPhone, Apple introduces the patented "gestures UI", running off the WebKit RiA. Microsoft presumably is copying the Flash RiA with the XAML rich WPF Silverlight RiA. Unfortunately, counternotions doe snot cover Silverlight. This incredible discussion is limited to Adobe and Apple.

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- publishers of Flash apps have to port their apps to native Web apps if they want to run inside a Web browser going forward because the Web has moved off the PC, you can’t accessorize it with PC software anymore, WebKit is so small and light and cross-platform that it is the plug-in now, inside iPhone, iPod, Nokia, Android, iTunes and other Mac and Windows apps

- publishers of Flash video have to deploy MPEG-4 H.264/AAC if they want to run inside an audio-video player (on any device) going forward, the decoder chips for this are already in EVERYTHING, from iPod to Blu-Ray to NVIDIA GPU’s

Most of the world has already done both of the above, including Google and Apple. This is not the beginning of the end for Flash, it is the end of the end.
Notice he doesn’t say at all that Flash is running natively on the ARM CPU inside the iPhone. And once again, as I point out in the article above, technical problems may be solved by Adobe, but cross-platform runtime compatibility and multi-touch UI frameworks remain as serious impediments.
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- two key points: cross platform compatibility and multi-touch UI frameworks. Is WebKit a universal runtime? Just how portable is the multi-touch UI?
  posted by garyedwards on 2008-06-20 17:25:13
the direction Apple is taking in WebKit with canvas, downloadable fonts, SVG, CSS animation, CSS transformations, faster JavaScript, HTML5 audio/video embedding, exposure of multi-touch to JS and so on is precisely to create an open source alternative to the Flash runtime engine, without having to download a proprietary plugin:
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- Nice summation of WebKit: "... the direction Apple is taking in WebKit with canvas, downloadable fonts, SVG, CSS animation, CSS transformations, faster JavaScript, HTML5 audio/video embedding, exposure of multi-touch to JS and so on is precisely to create an open source alternative to the Flash runtime engine, without having to download a proprietary plugin...:"
  posted by garyedwards on 2008-06-20 17:54:09

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Runtime wars (2): Apple’s answer to Flash, Silverlight and JavaFX « counternotions

WebKit is Apple's Trojan Horse! Excellent introduction to WebKit presented in the context of Adobe and Microsoft RiA's.

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Runtime wars (1): Does Apple have an answer to Flash, Silverlight and JavaFX? « counternotions

Another excellent discussion concerning the Future of the Web. 2 Parts

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Flash Wars: The Many Enemies and Obstacles of Flash [Part 2 of 3] - AppleInsider Comments

Excellent comment focused on the clash between Flash and Apple. Apple promotes JavaScript, CSS and AJAX: the WebKit- SproutCore recipe

Tags: RiA, Flash, Apple, WebKit, SproutCore, JavaScript on 2008-06-18 -All Annotations (8) -About

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Throughout 2007, Apple stripped nearly every vestige of Flash from its corporate site and other products, and began recommending that developers use open standards instead. As noted in Gone in a Flash: More on Apple’s iPhone Web Plans, last summer Apple published a document titled "Optimizing Web Applications and Content for iPhone," which not only listed Flash as the single bullet point item under a listing of "unsupported technologies," but went on to explicitly encourage developers to "stick with standards," and use CSS, JavaScript, and Ajax instead.
Microsoft has already begun leveraging its Windows and Office monopolies to distribute Silverlight as a Flash-killer on both the Windows PC desktop and on the Mac. When Microsoft releases a Mac product, it can only mean one thing: it's working hard to kill a cross platform threat to Windows.
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- great point! With WebKit-SproutCore, Apple is moving Cocoa to the Windows platform. With XAML-Silverlight, Microsoft is leveraging the MSOffice monopoly to kill Adobe Flash RiA. And Adobe is trying to reposition their proprietary RiA as a friendly to ppen source and open standards through their involvement with Mozilla taligent, WebKit, and now this open web screen stuff. This is War!
  posted by garyedwards on 2008-06-18 20:11:42
the new Cocoa iPhone/iPod Touch SDK not only offers Adobe insufficient means to develop a Flash plugin, but also clearly forbids the development of runtimes designed to advance competing platforms on top of the native Cocoa environment, whether Flash, Silverlight, or Java.
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- that's news! OK, so the Cocoa-SproutCore SDK blocks the development of proprietary runtimes. Does it also block the development of open source - open standard runtimes? Like FSF GNASH?
  posted by garyedwards on 2008-06-18 20:22:02
Apple is fighting for control of media distribution with open standards! What is it you do not get about Mpeg4, AAC, MP3 and H.264?
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- well said! I hope it's true.
  posted by garyedwards on 2008-06-18 20:51:38
Silverlight will just not play H264 content : as usual, microsoft has adopted a look alike, incompatible video format : VC1.

About why Quicktime is better that Flash when it comes to serious H264 usage, you may want to have a look at the following note/demonstration of a quicktime+javascript player :

http://blog.vrarchitect.net/post/200...ter-than-Flash

In short : Quicktime can reach any frame of a video. Flash just reach the I-Frames. So if you have a GOP/keyframing of 250 for instance, you can see only one frame every 10s of video (to be honest, most classical gop implies a frame every one or two seconds)
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- Silverlight supports VC1? And not H.264? Call in the EU, UiC, and FSF
  posted by garyedwards on 2008-06-18 20:53:39

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Flash Wars: Adobe Fights for AIR with the Open Screen Project [Part 3 of 3] | AppleInsider

Part two of the Prince McClean Adobe-Flash history. Excellent history involves Adobe SVG, Microsoft VmL-XAML-Silverlight, Apple WebKit, Sun (Java) as they battle for dominance over web applications and the future of the Web itself.

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Two areas where Flash can offer real value is in displaying and packaging video on the web, and in serving as a Java replacement for developing applets. Here's a look at how Adobe is working to defend its strengths in the face of competition, and how its efforts to open the Flash specification in the Open Screen Project play into these efforts.
proprietary FLV video container format
more advanced and open H.264 video codec
Apple's ability to disrupt the status quo in video playback is evident in its deal with Google to vend YouTube videos to the iPhone, iPod Touch, and Apple TV as straight H.264 rather than Google's existing mix of a Flash-based player and its archaic GVI file format based upon AVI.
As Apple's hardware-based H.264 playback in mobile devices begins to define how to reach affluent customers with content, Flash will increasingly lose any allure on the PC desktop as well, as developers won't want to target PCs and mobiles using two different systems.
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- Wow. What an insight. If Apple can push Flash aside with the open standard H.265, they will perhaps do the same to Adobe RiA (AiR-Flex-Flash) with the rapidly emerging WebKit-SproutCore JavaScript library!
  posted by garyedwards on 2008-06-18 19:39:35
Adobe seems to be hoping that nobody notices these problems and that its vigilant marketing efforts can entrance the public into thinking that a drawing app extended into an animation tool and then retrofitted into a monstrous hack of a development platform is a superior technology basis for building web apps compared to the use of modern open standards created expressly to promote true interoperability by design rather than retroactively.
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- Here's one for the mighty marbux and the Universal Interoperability Council! If Adobe and Microsoft are successful with their proprietary RiA approaches for creating highly interactive, dynamic web applicaitons, they will break the Open Web. If Apple and Google succeed with their open standards - open source RiA approach (WebKit-SproutCore-GWT), the future of the Web will be open. Where is the UiC on this? Hummmm?
  posted by garyedwards on 2008-06-18 19:48:29

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Flash Wars: Adobe in the History and Future of Flash [Part 1 of 3] | AppleInsider Prince McLean

First part of three part series. Covers RiA history of Flash and SVG

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WebKit on a roll | Apple's open secret: SproutCore is Cocoa for the Web | AppleInsider

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Cocoa for Windows + Flash RiA Killer = SproutCore JavaScript Framework — RoughlyDrafted Magazine

The story of Javascript and the browser as a RiA competitor continues to unfold. This lengthy summation from roughlydrafed is perhaps the best discussion 'i've ever seen of technologies that will drive the Future of the Open Web. Roughly believes that Apple and Google are fighting for an Open Web Future, with Adobe and Microsoft RiA jousting for a broken web where they dominate the application development. For usre the web is moving to become an application platform. The question is one of who will own the dominant API, and be in position to impose a global platform tax. This is a great summary demanding a careful read. It also confirms my belief that the WebKit layout and document model is the way forward. It's by far and away the best (X)HTML-CSS-DOM-JavaScript model out there. The W3C alternatives do not include JavaScript, and that pretty much seals their fate. And while there are many JavaScript libraries and frameworks to chose from, i would pay close attention to three initiatives: WebKit SproutCore, Gecko jQuery, and Google GWT. ~ge~

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wikiWORD!!!!! The wikiWORD plug-in for MSWORD is designed to produce open standard compliant WebKit "fixed/flow" documents (strucutred HTML-CSS-DOM-JavaScript).
post by garyedwards on 2008-06-18 18:53:35

SproutCore brings the values of Leopard’s Cocoa to the web, domesticating JavaScript into a functional application platform with lots of free built-in support for desktop features.

Being based on open web standards and being open source itself means SproutCore will enable developers to develop cross platform applications without being tied to either a plugin architecture or its vendor.

Sitting on top of web standards will also make it easy for Apple and the community to push SproutCore ahead without worrying about incompatible changes to the underlying layers of Windows, a significant problem for the old Yellow Box or some new Cocoa analog. SproutCore also lives in a well known security context, preventing worries about unknown holes being opened up by a new runtime layer.
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- Great point! Sadly there isn't a web ready alternative to MSOffice. Nor is MSOffice web ready. Leastways not in the sense of an open web capability. MSOffice HTML is proprietary. Worse, the MSOffice SDK has a conversion component for converting MSOffice-OOXML <> XAML "fixed/flow". XAML is a Microsoft proprietary technology tha tcompliments Silverlight, smart tags and LINQ as core components of the Windows Presentation Foundation layer (WPF).
  posted by garyedwards on 2008-06-18 18:50:33

280 Slides - Create & Share Presentations Online

Interesting alternative to Flash and the many JavaScript frameworks :: like SproutCore (Apple)

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WebKit Meta: A new standard for in-game web content | Alp Toker

As many know, i've moved all my attention to WebKit and thw webkit "fixed/flow" document model as an alternative to Microsoft's proprietary XAML "fixed/flow". Webkit is the default layout for iPhone, Safari and the Adobe RIA runtime (Flex/Flash/AiR/Acrobat). It's just a short hop from WebKit to VisualForce Pages, the default document model for SalesForce.com developers. The Meta announcement further demonstrates how powerful the WebKit design is. It's will be worthwhile keepign an eye on the Meta JavaScript SDK-Runtime as a nice addition to WebKit. Good stuff!

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AJAX World RIA Conference News - AJAX & RIA with Server-Side JavaScript @ WEB 2.0 JOURNAL

Server side and client side JavaScript

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Running beyond the browser

Although there are many ways to slice this discussion, it might be useful to compare Adobe RIA and Microsoft Silverlight RIA in terms of web ready, highly interactive documents. The Adobe RIA story is quite different from that of Silverlight. Both however exploit the shortcomings of browsers; shortcomings that are in large part, i think, due to the disconnect the browser community has had with the W3C. The W3C forked off the HTML-CSS path, putting the bulk of their attention into XML, RDF and the Semantic Web. The web developer community stayed the course, pushing the HTML-CSS envelope with JavaScript and some rather stunning CSS magic. Adobe seems to have picked up the HTML-CSS-Javascript trail with a Microsoft innovation to take advantage of browser cache, DHTML (Dynamic HTML). DHTML morphs into AJAX, (which so wild as to have difficulty scaling). And AJAX gets tamed by an Adobe-Apple sponsored WebKit. Most people see WebKit as a browser specific layout engine, and compare it to the IE and Gecko on those terms. I would argue however that WebKit is both a document model and, a document format. For sure it's a framework for very advanced HTML-CSS-DOM-Javascript work. Because the Adobe AIR run-time is based on WebKit layout, WebKit documents can hit on all cylinders across any browser able to implement the AIR plug-in. Meaning, web developers and web content providers need only target the WebKit document model to attain the interactive access ubiquity all seek. Very cool. Let me also add that the WebKit HTML-CSS-DOM-Javascript model is capable of "fixed/flow" representation. I'll explain the importance of "fixed/flow" un momento, but think about how iPhone renders a web page and you'll understand the "flow" side of this equation.

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