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EU-IDABC ODEF Workshop 2007 in Berlin - Documentation - presentations
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- ODF officially died on February 28, 2007, at the Advanced eGovernment Conference in Berlin. Hellow ODEFpost by garyedwards on 2007-06-05
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IDABC ODEF Workshop 2007 in Berlin
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- compile further input from Member State public administrations on their experiences and strategies on ODEF
- gather industry viewpoints on the initiatives relating to ODEF standardization and information on future standardisation developments
- provide a platform for exchange between stakeholders in public administrations and main industry players
ODEF Strategies: Examples from European Administration
Practical Experiences with the implementation of ODEF
Report on ODEF-Standardisation activities
4 parallel sessions with participants
A panel discussion with stakeholders
As information exchange in and with public administrations is very often bound to documents, editing, archiving and exchange possibilities for documents are crucial for the optimum function of administrations, both in terms of practicality and cost.Initiatives such as the PEGSCO Recommendations on Open Document Formats published by the IDABC Management Committee, demonstrate public administrations preference for "open" document exchange and storage formats that are subject to formal standardisation via international standardisation procedures.The primary objectives of the Berlin event, held at the German Federal Ministry of the Interior (BMI), were to:
The program of the workshop included, among other:
Universal Interoperability Framework for OpenDocument
Tags: cdf, interop, interoperability, iso, odef, odf, opendocument on 2007-09-27 -All Annotations (0) -About
in list: ISO Interoperability Requirements & The Quest For A Universal File Format
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- The OpenDocument Foundation "Universal Interoperability Framework" Proposal has not been submitted to the OASIS ODF TC as of this bookmarking. But this version is complete except for a closing summation.post by garyedwards on 2007-09-27
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SUMMARY: The OpenDocument Foundation
proposes that the OASIS Office TC begin now to create an
interoperability framework for inclusion in OpenDocument v. 1.2. This
document, one of a series of planned proposals, proposes first steps towards a
comprehensive interoperability framework and OpenDocument conformance
requirements. This proposal is designed to bring ODF v. 1.2 into compliance with current ISO Interoperability Requirements.
LinuxWorld | Game over for OpenDocument?
Tags: cdf, compounddocument, odef, odf, officeopenxml, ooxml, opendocument, xhtml on 2007-08-08 -All Annotations (0) -About
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- Wow, what a story! Slashdotted twice:post by garyedwards on 2007-08-08
http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=258073&threshold=1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&pid=20064251#20153479
Does ODF Have a Future?
Tags: acme, cdf, davinci, odef, odf, officeopenxml, ooxml, opendocument, xhtml on 2007-08-08 -All Annotations (0) -About
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Serious Accessibility Issues with OOXML! Adaptive Technology Resource Centre Analysis of OOXML Show Stoppers
Tags: ecma376, iso, odef, odf, officeopenxml, ooxml, opendocument, xhtml on 2007-07-31 -All Annotations (0) -About
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- Whoa, another must read analysis of OOXML. This one is provided by the University of Toronto, with a focus on "accessibility" issues. Not surprisingly, OOXML fails on nearly all counts.post by garyedwards on 2007-07-31
The authors recommend that we go back to work on improving ODF and the accessibility of ODF ready applications.
Real World Government Open Source - Bill Welty and Government OSS Technology
Tags: iso, odef, odf, ooxml, opensource, openwave, xhtml, xml on 2007-07-20 -All Annotations (0) -About
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- If there is an Open Source hero in government, it's Bill Welty. This article pulished in Government Technology covers the GOSCON 2006 conference where Bill spoke to the realities of open source software in government. Bill will also be speaking at the October 2007 GOSCON Conference in Portland Oregon. He doesn't pull his punches :) Even with Microsoft, IBM, Novell, and Sun sitting across the table.post by garyedwards on 2007-07-16
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Welty gave a rapid-fire look at the realities of open source in government. "The doors have been blown open in California," he said. "In 2004 when Governor Schwarzenegger signed the California Performance Review a section called State Operations #10 specifically authorized the use of open source."
Operations #10 says: "Departments should take an inventory of software purchases and software renewals in the Fiscal Year 2004-2005 and implement open source alternatives where feasible."
Sun Supports OOXML as an ISO Standard?
Tags: iso, odef, odf, ooxml, openwave, xhtml, xml on 2007-07-20 -All Annotations (0) -About
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- post by garyedwards on 2007-07-20
Quote:
Sun
Microsystems Inc., largely considered an avowed opponent of Open XML
because of its own development and support for the competing,
ODF-based StarOffice
suite, found itself in the unexpected position of stating its support
for ratifying Open XML -- albeit after some changes in the proposal
are made."We
wish to make it completely clear that we support DIS 29500 becoming
an ISO Standard and are in complete agreement with its stated
purposes of enabling interoperability among different implementations
and providing interoperable access to the legacy of Microsoft Office
documents," Jon
Bosak, a Sun representative to V1,
wrote
in an e-mail
to other committee members over the weekend. "Sun voted No on
Approval because it is our expert finding, based on the analysis so
far accomplished in V1, that DIS 29500 as presently written is
technically incapable of achieving those goals, not because we
disagree with the goals or are opposed to an ISO Standard that would
enable them."Sun "found
itself in the unexpected position of stating its support for
ratifying OOXML"? What???? This is the official position
of Sun?
For the near five years that i have been a member of
the OASIS ODF TC, Sun has opposed
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Sun Microsystems Inc., largely considered an avowed opponent of Open XML because of its own development and support for the competing, ODF-based StarOffice suite, found itself in the unexpected position of stating its support for ratifying Open XML -- albeit after some changes in the proposal are made.
We've Been Had!
Tags: iso, odef, odf, ooxml, openwave, xhtml, xml on 2007-07-20 -All Annotations (0) -About
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- Yeah. I said this! And i still think ODF has what it takes to become a universal file format. But only if the "interoperability enhancment" proposals are made part of the specification. You can't talk your way to universal interop. It has to go into the spec!post by garyedwards on 2007-07-20
OBTW, for you idiots who think i support OOXML as a standard? You're idiots. I support the quest for a universal file format that is totally application, platform and vendor independent. The requirements, demands and criticisms we make of OOXML should be applied to every file format up for universal file format consideration. Including ODF. Including XHTML+ (XHTML, CSS3, RDF). Including the EU IDABC "ODEF".
The one area where i differ from most universal interoperability seekers is that i fully believe the big vendors have left open a loop hole we can exploit. The plugin architecture is fully able to convert a big vendors application to produce our beloved but elusive universal file format.
This is important because the big vendors control "interoperability" by contolling the big vendor standards consortia, and, the major applications. It's a double edged sword.
The ubiquitous plugin architecture enables universal interop seekers to exploit the applications any way we want. What's missing is a truly open "universal" standards process that is outside the reach of big vendors.
Personally i like the recent GPL3 process as a model on which to base emerging universal standards work. Somehow the big vendors must be neutralized. Otherwise, we;ll never see the universal inteop the world so desires.
idiots,
~ge~
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There is nothing open about MOOXML, and it should have never made it to consideration as an international standard.
But one has to ask, what is up with Sun? The John Bosak comment is just as much cause for concern as the fact that the nations of the world would dare consider OOXML as an international standard. All i can say is that we've been had. Sun and Microsoft have worked us royally, and only now, at the last moment, does the fog of confusion clear and we can see it all.
Microsoft Watch Finally Gets it - It's the Business Applications!- Obla De OBA Da
Tags: odef, odf, officeopenxml, ooxml, opendocument, vista-stack on 2007-07-15 -All Annotations (0) -About
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I'm convinced that Office as a platform is an eventual dead end. But Microsoft is going to lead lots of customers and partners down that platform path.
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Microsoft can offer businesses many of the informational sharing and mining benefits associated with the markup language while leveraging Office and supporting desktop and server products as the primary consumption conduit.
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By adapting XML
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Microsoft got there first to protect Office.
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Microsoft's backwards compatibility priority means the company made XML-based format decisions that compromise the open objectives of XML. Open Office XML is neither open nor XML.
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Microsoft's major XML-based format development priority was backward compatibility with its proprietary Office binary file formats.
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Microsoft seeks to create sales pull along the vertical stack between the desktop and server.
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To be fair, Microsoft seeks to solve real world problems with respect to helping customers glean more value from their information. But the approach depends on enterprises adopting an end-to-end Microsoft stack—vertically from desktop to server and horizontally across desktop and server products. The development glue is .NET Framework, while the informational glue is OOXML.
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Microsoft will vie for the whole business software stack, a strategy that I believe will be indisputable by early 2009 at the latest.
Butcher this! -- Microsoft legislatively TKO's open document formats.
Tags: documents, government, iso, odef, odf, officeopenxml, ooxml, opendocument on 2007-07-13 -All Annotations (0) -About
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- The title here has nothing to do with the content. The original title is, "Politics is only a small part of this story".post by garyedwards on 2007-07-12
It's been a while since i last posted to the ZDNet TalkBack, and was totally thrown by the TalkBack formating needs. My first post dropped all line breaks, and came out as one long run on sentence.
Now maybe that's the way i write, (and think), but at least with some formatting i can hide that fact!
Still, "Butcher This!" is not a bad title.
~ge~
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The question we should be asking is why State CIO's and IT divisions are not backing the legislative proposals? It's not the lobbying that is killing ODF. It's the lack of support from those who would have been left with the challenge of implementing ODF solutions. The silence of the CIO's is deafening.
Microsoft Support for ODF - the Q&A
Tags: ecma, eu-idabc, iso, oasis, odef, odf, officeopenxml, ooxml, opendocument, xml on 2007-06-22 -All Annotations (0) -About
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- This is the full response to Swapnil's seven questions. It's long. But we hold back nothing! Thanks again to Marbux. He is a peach!post by garyedwards on 2007-06-21
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Hi
Gary,
I am a technology journalist with Asia's ONLY
Linux-focused magazine, LINUX For You. I am working on a story
revolving the recent development of Microsoft supporting ODF Format.
I want to understand the equation of the whole development, would you
please help me understand:Q1. What do
you think drove Microsoft to support the ODF format?
The Interoperability Wars :: ODF vs. OOXML
Tags: ecma, eu-idabc, iso, oasis, odef, odf, officeopenxml, ooxml, opendocument, xml on 2007-06-21 -All Annotations (0) -About
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- This discussion is part of a much larger response to a series of questions from a LiNUX magazine in India. The mighty Marbux helped answer the questions, so please don't mistake his eloquence for my customary thundering.post by garyedwards on 2007-06-21
GullFOSS: It's our way or the highway. So what if new cool features = Zero Interop? Download OOo and get over it already!
Tags: california, davinci, interop, iso, massachusetts, oasis, odef, odf, ooxml, opendocument, politics, xml on 2007-06-10 -All Annotations (0) -About
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- Make no mistake about it. Microsoft is absolutely right about three things:post by garyedwards on 2007-06-10
.... Compatibility with existing file formats is not an ODF concern.
.... Sun controls the OASIS ODF TC.
.... Sun makes certain that ODF is bound tightly to the OpenOffice feature set.
Sun's view of interoperability is that of a one way street. Documents can be converted into ODF-OOo/SO, but they are guaranteed to break during any kind of document routing or round tripping.
This is also the reason why the Sun "external" plugin for MSOffice fails. One way conversion simply isn't enough to crack the hold MSOffice has on critical day to day business processes. The only way to that is with a conversion process able to maintain high level fidelity while round tripping.
As the EU IDABC has figured out, the ODF-OOo/SO specification is loaded with interoperability break points. That's why they are turning to ODEF, which can be seen as a version of ODF that is truly application independent and optimized for interoperability.
~ge~ - The chuckleheads at Sun's StarOffice/OpenOffice Hamburg office respond to Florian's comprehensive lis tof suggestions to greatly improve ODF interoperability.post by garyedwards on 2007-06-05
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When such new features that enhance the interoperability require enhancements to the Open Document file format we will propose the necessary changes to the OASIS Open Document TC. This way not only OpenOffice.org but also Open Document benefits from our efforts. Florian Reuter, who now works for Novell, lists some of the changes we have in mind in his blog . So there are a lot of common ideas how we can improve the interoperability between OpenOffice.org and Microsoft Word documents and I hope we can work together with Florian here.
OpenForum Europe - EU Conclusions from Open Document Exchange Formats Workshop
Tags: iso, oasis, odef, odf, officeopenxml, ooxml, opendocument, xml on 2007-06-09 -All Annotations (0) -About
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- There must be something in the air. The end user inspired idea that applications should be able to exchange documents perfectly preserving the presentation (man percieved appearance as opposed to machine interpreted layout-rendering) is gaining a rabid momentum.post by garyedwards on 2007-04-09
Yesterday it was the Intel ODF Test Suite results falling into the hands of Microsoft, who is now using the results to argue that OpenOffice doesn't fully support - implement ODF. The Intel ODF Test Suite is notable in that the test is near 100% about comparative "presentation" :: an object to object ocmparison of a KOffice document to an OpenOffice rendering of that document and vice versa.
Today we have the EU IDABC hosting a continent wide conference discussing the same issue :: the "exchange" of ODF documents. They've even gone so far as to coin a new term; ODEF - OpenDocument Exchange Format!
This morning i also recieved an invite to join a new OASIS discussion list, "The DocStandards Interoperability List". The issue? The converision and exchange of documents between different standards.
And then there is the cry for help from Sophie Gautier. This is an eMail that has worked it's way up to both the OASIS ODF Adoption TC and OASIS ODF Mainline TC discussion lists. The problem is that Microsoft is presenting the Intel ODF Test Results to EU govenrments. Sophie needs a response, and finds the truth hard to fathom.
Last week the legendary document processing expert Patrick Durusau jumped into the ODF "Lists" embroglio with his concern that the public has a different idea about document exchange - interoperability than the ODF TC. A very different idea. The public expects a visual preservation of the documents presentation qual
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the
necessity to use ODEF
on
"openness" being the basic criteria of ODEF
and
resulting requirements towards industry players / consequences for
public administrations
There
is a general dissatisfaction with the perspective of having
competing standards;
One
format for one purpose: Administrations should be able to
standardize (internally) on a minimal set of formats;
No
incomplete implementations, no proprietary extensions;
Products
should support all relevant standards and standards used should be
supported by multiple products;
Conformance
testing and document validation possibilities are needed -> in
order to facilitate mapping / conversion;
Handle
the legacy / safeguard accessibility
here
was strong consensus among Member State administrations on
OpenDocument Lawn Jockey Knowledge base
Tags: iso, oasis, odef, odf, officeopenxml, ooxml, opendocument, xml on 2007-06-09 -All Annotations (0) -About
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- The Knowledge Base description and history of OpenDocuemntpost by garyedwards on 2007-06-06
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he OpenDocument Format (ODF) is an open XML-based document file format for office applications to be used for documents containing text, spreadsheets, charts, and graphical elements. The file format makes transformations to other formats simple by leveraging and reusing existing standards wherever possible. As an open standard under the stewardship of OASIS, ODF also creates the possibility for new types of applications and solutions to be developed other than traditional office productivity applications.
Evermore Integrated Office
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- Homepage for EIOffice, a complete JAVA clone of MSOffice. This stuff is excellent! Easily surpasses OpenOffice in terms of file format conversion and compatibilitiy. EIOffice is fully capable of "round tripping" documents with MSOffice users without compromising fideltiy. Supports UOF but not ODF or MOOXMLpost by garyedwards on 2007-04-27
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EIOffice includes the features found in Microsoft Office, plus a number of productivity features found nowhere else.
Slashdot | Pro-ODF Legislation Loses In Six States
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- Incredible. The tile alone says it all. And the poster commenting on IBM and secret disaster that happened in Massachusetts has it right. I wonder who that commenter is anyway?post by garyedwards on 2007-06-04
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Another document format is not needed. This was already obvious before blogs took off, but to be promoting now is unforgivably stupid and irresponsible. Try and explain to an average person why all the typing they just did cannot even be viewed in a Web browser, they will not get it. Saving the user's typing as DOC or ODF is a con. The storage of text, styled text, graphics, photos, even movies (MPEG-4 H.264-AAC) has been solved. Your document format is ready it is HTML 4.01 Strict, CSS 2.1, and JS 1.5, there is nothing in the 1980's technology of MS Word that cannot be stored this way.
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If this is the case then it greatly increases the scope of the bill from being a simple switch from MS Office to OpenOffice to a massive effort involving the definition of many new XML schemata, developing, testing and debugging software to handle the new schemata, creation of documentation, deployment of and training for the new software, etc., etc.
Microsoft trounces pro-ODF forces in state battles over open document formats
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- A must read. And yes, the ODF Vendors are the reason ODF lost. They didn't provide useful solutions. In fact, the applicaitons they proposed were seen by government CIO's as cstly and disruptive "rip out and replace" non starters. In California, CIO's asked if it was even possible to implement ODF!!!post by garyedwards on 2007-06-06
- Uh Oh. They got IBM dead to rights in Massachusetts. I guess the truth about Massachusetts will be told! Finally. ODF failed in Massachusetts because there isn't a reasonable means of implementing ODF. Same in California.post by garyedwards on 2007-06-04
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Microsoft trounces pro-ODF forces in state battles over open document formats
Eric Lai and Gregg Keizer
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June 03, 2007
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Keeping it private
The other problem, Mathers said, was the jargon-laden disinformation that committee members felt they were being fed by lobbyists for both IBM and Microsoft. Although lobbyists would tell the committee one thing in private, they got cold feet when asked to verify the information publicly, under oath. "Suddenly, nobody wanted to sign witness affirmation forms and testify," he said.
That undermined the credibility of each side, but it particularly damaged the position of ODF proponents. After Wyne testified publicly that in Massachusetts, only a handful of computers had thus far been converted over to using ODF, IBM declined to dispute her claims, Mathers said -- despite having earlier given "gleaming" reports on the progress of ODF in Massachusetts. "That's when I really started to question the whole bill," he said.
Mass. Set to Mix Office With ODF
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- The August 28th, 2006 article about Massachusetts decision to use addon plugins. ComputerWorld - Caarol Sliwapost by garyedwards on 2007-06-05
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Massachusetts last week officially confirmed that its executive agencies for now will continue using Microsoft Office instead of switching to alternative desktop applications. But by Jan. 1, in keeping with a controversial policy announced last year, the state plans to start adding plug-in software that will let its Office users create and save files in the industry-standard OpenDocument format.
» OpenDocument or OpenXML: Do you care? | Between the Lines | ZDNet.com
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- Excellent coverage of a very important interview!post by garyedwards on 2007-06-07
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A week or so ago, I published a podcast at IT Conversation with Scott Mace interviewing Gary Edwards about OpenDocument. Edwards is the president of the OpenDocument Foundation. OpenDocument Foundation is a non-profit that works to promote the OpenDocument file format–an XML file format for office documents.
There’s no question that businesses want an XML-based file format for office data. The question, naturally, is which XML-based file format. Microsoft has it’s own XML-based file format called OpenXML.
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