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In the official Japanese diagnostic system, taijin kyofusho is subdivided into the following categories:

* Sekimen-kyofu, the phobia of blushing (English term: ereuthophobia)
* Shubo-kyofu, the phobia of a deformed body, similar to Body dysmorphic disorder
* Jikoshisen-kyofu, the phobia of eye contact
* Jikoshu-kyofu, the phobia of having foul body odor (English term: osmophobia, bromidrosiphobia)

Since it is not prevalent in American culture, taijin kyofusho is not detailed in the DSM IV. This is under debate, however, as symptoms indicative of taijin kyofusho are sometimes found in patients in the United States.

Yay!!! Finally a new word for Wapanese people. Maybe that’ll get rid of most of the bandwagon hikkis.

…just kidding.

I think it was Jikoshisen-kyofu because as a person who grew up shy and could be considered anti-social and then getting to a certain point where you did become more social, the difference in eye contact is mind boggling to yourself.

All untestable assumptions, and built on a shaky understanding of evolutionary psychology. In other words, “…more research is needed.”

Also, more coffee. Kin I gets mah grant now?

(This one isn't about a conversation spoken in a Hikikomori Board but I've encountered a similar pattern in the old AnonIB Hikikomori board addressed to my way of posting so when I encountered this, since I haven't read that part of anonarchive yet, I thought this was a great example to add because these are words I've spoken and it shows me in a negative light)

Me: Again may I be allowed to disagree? *sweat drops*

The first bit of appealing to pathos is correct. You don't need it to coincide with your own. See all American presidents notably Obama

Secret agendas are also wrong. Of course everyone has secrets but in politics, the best politicians aren't those with

secrets that when revealled gets them kicked out of the office but the ones who's secrets are so open, you can't help but close off your mind to them as a mass and become apathetic to it. aka The Big Lie although the origins and context of that term is controversial.

Still Me: @chocolatehappiness On the contrary, in the Philippines, appealling to logos = voting for the lesser of two devils and the president that will most likely win. ;)

Appealing to ethos would be to suggest welfare projects to fool people into thinking that government is about answering people's needs rather than well... governing :(

chocolatehappiness: go ahead mister speaker

adjudicators are listening :p

chocolatehappiness: case in point: the 9/11 Bush brainwash on the US soldiers is a solid ground of what is stated above that self-interest coincides with... secret agenda

Me: @chocolatehappiness the thing is Bush didn't brainwash the US soldiers nor the culture of the time. They were already brainwashed. I'm not saying believe the conspiracy theories but historically evidence-wise there was already a strong implication of blowback. The only question was when. The fact that Americans didn't even know why someone would hate them so much to risk their lives proves that it was more of a Big Lie than a secret agenda.

Me: Clarification in this case.

...and the chance to be proven wrong without being misunderstood. :p

CognacWest: once we've entered politics or anything that has to do with dirty tricks. let's accept the fact that nobody is clean and too much idealism..

...is bullsh*t!

chocolatehappiness: so what is the bottomline of your argument mister chair?

Me: CognacWest, nah, that's not exactly valid especially after the Ron Paul phenomena during the US primaries. I'm not saying everyone is perfect but it's perfectly possible to be idealistic and not be destroyed by the system to a certain point.

@chocolatehappiness, didn't I already answer that? :p

chocolatehappiness: @Huo, no because your arguments are self-contradicting. hehe

Me: @CognacWest actually he eliminated two top contenders Gulianni and Romney who were originally going to be the big names and large money backing them. Gulianni lost when he went against Paul in the primary debates. After that, he is probably the biggest major upset in recent American political elections This mind you when Paul was basically an unknown and who's politics was considered walking on water for the Republican party. Meanwhile McCain was running out of money but Paul who was a true conservative and had the support of money bombs continued to hang on

CognacWest: really? How Come it's Huckabee and my mentor, John McCain won the primaries? coz u know what, Paul is a double agent working for Democrats!

Me: (cont.) despite the lack of political support. At this point Romney was still in it and...

Actually Huckabee was the 2nd black sheep. He was the most charismatic of that bunch despite the media selling Romney. However his politics while it may have been good compared to everyone else there except Paul, just wasn't enough to keep him afloat unlike Paul What happened with McCain was that as I was saying, the top 3 including Paul despite being the kulelat was still darn close. This was what should have set up what is called a brokered convetion. Romney however despite being on top of the top3 and had the most financial backing, "mysteriously" backed out. With him backing out, even if the odds were low for a brokered convetion before, the situation pretty much was in McCain's favor since Paul was stilll not just as big a name as McCain. This is why Obama faced better competition during the primaries than the general too. McCain was self-destructing everywhere. The only reason people forget the primaries is because McCain kind of distracted everyone with Palin

Me: In fact, you can't legitimately call yourself capitalist if you even support McCain unless you didn't do your research

shares: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUZwL9GPcNw

Err... you're taking the Nba analogy way too literally.

CognacWest: increase eloisa's karma my friend. come on, you have to face the reality not everyone will take matters seriously but if you wanted to...

try joining ANC's square off and imma cheer for you. well, you quite impressed me. :)

in reality, it's a win-win situation, i did even increase your karma.

Me: Btw chocolatehappiness and CognacWest, do you mind if I quote your words here along with your usernames on my blog?

@CognacWest, not really. I don't really care for karma. (I left for awhile and it went to 0) I know this isn't anything special to say

chocolatehappiness: yup u got that right :)

go ahead use our names we really dont care

Note:

This isn’t a replacement for Verbal Self-Defence but I haven’t researched and practiced the latter enough to attempt a guide specifically for Hikkikomoris.

This also just happens to be the next thread that came up when I was reading the AnonIB /hikki/ archives — so I decided to make a collection to highlight how redundant the comments are — even if these are often not exclusively thrown at Hikkikomoris.

Btw this is intended to be a constantly edited topic, it just happens that I got the idea from reading the above topic and started with it.

Well, I'm not even a novice at Verbal Self-Defence as I've pointed out in the post but as I understand it:

In general, there are things said that can produce negative emotions to the receiver who hears it.

The book: The Gentle Art of Verbal Self-Defence explains this concept more eloquently but the article linked to the post also addresses it to an extent. (as far as I know, the term is linked to one author and one author only and she creates a series of similar books revolving around the term.)

Anyways, the idea that you can feel bad about an insult is fairly obvious.

However because the theme of the book centers around the idea of how to "diffuse" the conflict rather than ignore it or mope around for a few days, it also went into details elaborating everything from why the latter two actions are self-destructive in order to set-up the whole "Self-defence" theme.

As one Amazon reviewer writes:

"Professor Elgin does a good job of analyzing verbal insults to reveal the presumptions underlying them, which we often sense but which we are unable to identify. She also rightly explains that responding to the conclusions reached by our adversaries--but ignoring the presumptions--simply impales us more deeply on their verbal hooks. Her suggestions, however, for dealing with these insults are somewhat in error."

Full text: http://www.amazon.com/review/R233BTKZ7FONL9/ref...

Anyways, I wasn't able to listen entirely to the content because I could only find an audiobook for it via bittorrent and it was choppy and I haven't ordered the book.

However even on the first cd, the author gave a glimpse of how even kind-hearted words can produce this negativity.

My own example (since I no longer have the audio cd) is to use the classical example of telling someone to "keep on practicing."

To the right person, this is a good enough encouraging advice. However to the wrong person, this is worse than giving no advise.

This is why it's not so much that the negativity in the list implies bad or offensive; nor that it needs an alternative "positive" comment list to serve as comparison.

If this is still confusing and you don't mind reading something long, you might want to check out these two links. (which are unrelated to my example but also highlights why the wrong words can have vast and dangerous implications)

With that specific example, the negativity inducing portion was the implication that by using "we" and "many of us", you're creating two negative implications:

1) One, even if you didn't intend it to be interpreted this way, you're sending the idea that you speak for everyone else. (Yes, even if you said many instead of everyone)

2) "We'll get there in time" while complimentary towards the OP sends the message to everyone else working towards that goal the idea that it's going to "take a while" before they manage to mimic the OP's success. For all they know, they might gain this self-realization tomorrow but your words send the message to them that they're not quite progressing as much as they thought they would and while not "Apocalyptic-like" in it's harm -- there's always the chance that the words would unearth the negativity they're trying to combat so much already and further drag them down.

Here's the rub though:

The goal of this post isn't to let these quotes hang out to dry and paint them as "Haha! Look at these jerks."

...Well that's not the main intention although sadly it does send that message to the wrong person too.

Rather the idea is to create a list to numb the Hikikomori to such negativity by showing them how redundant the words are as many of the points are repeated by different people.

It's not the best verbal self-defence nor do I know if the book actually recommends it but it's a much safer way than getting into a beehive of trolls and getting egged and potshotted on to harden your internet nerves.

Also this way allows you to "sit back" and look at the words and intentions rather than be focused on the attack which is another theme promoted by Verbal Self-defence.

#2

No problem. Hell, I'm not sure if being aware of it makes it any easier.

I mean even the average youtuber rants about this all the time but you don't really find most of them being changed by that awareness outside of going "Hear! Hear!" on the posts they like.

Even in this topic, I encountered the problem of trying to be biased by looking at the posts through as close as an objective yet emotional outlook as I can

...vs. feeling bad that I didn't include my own post and wondering if it's because of my bias

...vs. the idea that the longer the post, the less chance of it being offensive because there's more room to put clarifications that may diffuse the offensive sentence.

I wasn’t intending to criticize homeschooling in general. Some of the most articulate teens I’ve met have been homeschooled.

Then again, I’ve also met some individuals who were homeschooled and had parents which actively discouraged their children from learning knowledge essential to surviving in the world because the parents felt these abilities were at odds with their faith.

It’s also quite possible »4917’s parents homeschooled for completely different reasons.

As far as homeschooling, I’ve always been of the opinion that it was only better because traditional schools were that much worse. (This goes beyond what #4 said about U.S. schools) That’s probably why I phrased the question that way.

It isn’t like most schools aren’t fostering isolation either. One just has more physical space while the other has more mental space.

Still, space is still space. If you perceive it as a prison, both are still prison. Perceive it as a workplace and both are workplace. Perceive it as luxury than either one is luxury…

I’m not claiming to understand Lao Tzu better than the writer though.

Rather I’m just comparing the pattern of Lao Tzu’s words to the theme of the writer’s post.

If we were to rephrase the words in such a way that they address the writer’s post, Lao Tzu would have said something along the lines of:

He speaks too much! A Hikikomori who believes he’s a recluse already accepts that he is a recluse. A Hikkikomori who does not think of himself as a recluse already knows that he is not. Where is the need to tell a man who he is if you are already trying to convince them to follow my teachings? Should my teachings not already start to transform them into who they are rather than who they were? Or do you believe these people need not change anything at all to follow my teachings? If this is so, what is the point of trying to convince them to become someone they already are? He is just a man wanting you to feel good!

“learns to unlearn his learning”

My first choice, however, wasn’t Tumblr but forums.

Several things made me reconsider my choice however:

Update: Turns out the script was done and is located in this site: http://anonarchive.hikiculture.com/

Guess there’s not much need for this blog anymore. I’m basically just putting the topics here anyway as a personal motivation task.

Nah. I always read the comments especially since I'm not finished reading through the Anon-Archives.

It's just that I can't see this blog offering much purpose for anyone else seeing as this was suppose to be just mostly an idea to band-aid back-up AnonIB before it went down.

I am a Hikikomori

http://www.experienceproject.com/group_stories.php?g=142181&s=d

Ok, I was banned for the second time in HikiCulture (I don’t know the reason why. It could have something to do with that announcement that something changed in their profiles but since I never put any data in there, I never bothered tweaking it but soon I saw my account/posts disappear despite remaining active.

In fact, my account was deleted around the same time I wrote a reply. It wasn’t a controversial one and it was attributing the fact that despite the admin’s criticisms with the HikiPhpBB forum, the member base growth remained the same and in fact, the previous forum probably had more Hikikomori related topics although it wasn’t the fault of the forum design as there were certain key members that stopped being active at around the time the forum required these members to stay active.

For those looking for a board to talk about Hikikomori issues, as much as I’m ashamed that an attention whore thread got this high in Reddit, that’s probably where we are left with right now judging by this topic:

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/9k7kk/i_was_a_hikikomori_and_didnt_leave_the_house_for/

I want you to get up now. I want all of you to get up out of your chairs. I want you to get up right now and go to the window. Open it, and stick your head out, and yell,

“I’M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I’M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!”