Yule Heibel on 2008-05-03
- very true. Right now (social) media participation/ blogging/ etc. becomes a self-selecting population, which skews the picture, too.
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03 May 08
Yule HeibelBritt Blaser coins the compelling term "collaboration mall." I left a long comment on April 28, but it appears stuck in moderation or has been deleted. Here's what I wrote:
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Thank-you for using my comment as a jumping off point to a thought-provoking blog entry here, Britt! (And I hope I didn't sound as 'despairing' as all that — my despair, such as it is, stems as often as not from the fossilized pace of local governance here. Other than that, I'm a pretty optimistic, happy-go-lucky person, which is probably why I'm ready to stumble into pre-existing conversations! …Like, duh Yule: one quick google search could have told me that you, Britt, have been talking about open source government for …well, for a while.)
But on to your post: I really like your descriptive term, "collaboration mall." As a city person (and yeah, Victoria is a smaller city, but it's pretty dense and urban and walkable), I'm of course loathe to admit that the suburbs might be places that produce appropriate symbols ("mall") for civitas / civic life. But I can remind myself that in the 1920s Walter Benjamin wrote about 19th century Parisian arcades as localities of social meaning (and manufacture of meaning) — and what were the arcades but urban forerunners of suburban malls?
I'd say that the urban street is still more democratic/ porous/ open, if only because it really is public space, vs. private or semi-private. But the mall can bring together all sorts of different (including "regular") people, and it's a great term (compared to "street") because it acknowledges the reality of markets, fees for services, settings for enterprise, and consumer platforms.
I'm at the very beginning of trying to create a community aggregator type service here, and your suggestion of a "collaboration mall" is intriguing. Just as with Doc's entry on infrastructure, I find it helps my thinking when one (physical) thing typically seen in one context is transposed into another (more abstract) context. Till now, I was thinking for example of "public space"-
…But the developers of OSS2, whose work we desperately need, to escape from the political specialists who’ve hijacked governance, don’t behave like that. The OSS2 developers we seek to serve are ready and able to form groups and describe their pain and hopes. But, just like OSS1 developers, they need an organizing environment suitable to their skills: a collaboration mall with all the tools they might need as they become more engaged.
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I called it a collaboration mall because the Open Source Society engineers are regular people, who won’t even blog, unless tricked into it, and need a UI as user-friendly as the malls that have worked so well, regardless of sophisticates’ sniffing at them as proletarian.
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But if some of us are persistent enough to build hundreds of expandable little collaboration malls, located where they (we) will try them and engage our neighbors and find it easy to shop for hope there, then we’ll become the unwitting designers and producers of little patches on our governmental structures.
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Yule Heibel on 2008-05-03
- community aggregators, but also sites that make it easy to "shop" (participate). Forums are really easy -- lurk, participate, whatever. But they don't have RSS and remain isolated and potentially silo-esque.
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Yule Heibel on 2008-05-03
- "shopping for hope" is a very interesting way of putting things.
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