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• 22 Jul 08
  

  zarkdav

  innovation standard webdev css

• 21 Mar 08
  

  Egon Bianchet

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• 22 Jan 08
  

  Mike Stenhouse

  Put simply, Zeldman is hurting you and only you can make it stop.

  css web-standards dojo

• 12 Jan 08
  

  ratbeard

  css standards web

• 05 Jan 08
  

  Gary Edwards

  cdf css html5 mozilla w3c xforms xhtml xml

  • It signals the effective end of the CSS WG as we (don’t) know it. Rebuilding credibility in the WG is going to be much, much harder now that Mozilla’s representative has effectively given up on the closed-door process. The working group’s secret cabal style of operation is imploding. It was inevitable, but the timing is still a surprise.

     

    But why was it inevitable? And should we take Andy’s suggestion seriously and expect a re-chartered WG to do better? After thinking about it for a while, I think the answer is that we can’t expect any standards body to do what is being asked of the CSS WG; namely to invent the future by committee.

    • <p>Alex Russel of Dojo fame is calling for a break from the W3C Standards work, and a return to browser led innovation. His reasoning is that the W3C committees are unable to keep up with the innovative needs of Web Developers. W3C Standards are holging us back.</p><br>
      
      <p>So, do we listen to Alex and trade standards based <b>interoperability</b> for vendor based <b>"innovation"</b>? I think not. There is an error in Alex's logic i think.</p><br>
      
      <p>The error is in mot fully recognizing the power and influence vendors have at the W3C. It's not that the W3C lags. It's that the vendors who sponsor much of the W3C standards work desire to hold back standards in order to provide for marketplace innovation differentials. Teh sad truth is that vendors have learned how to work both open standards and open source communities to protect their applications.</p>
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• 21 Dec 07
  

  David r

  But why was it inevitable? And should we take Andy’s suggestion seriously and expect a re-chartered WG to do better? After thinking about it for a while, I think the answer is that we can’t expect any standards body to do what is being asked of the CS

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• 19 Dec 07
  

  ttishgar

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  jfunai

  standard w3c

  • It’s clear then that vendors in the market are the ones who deploy new technologies which improve the situation. The W3C has the authority to standardize things, but vendors have all the power when it comes to actually making those things available. Ten years ago, we counted on vendors introducing new and awesome things into the wild and then we yelled at them to go standardize. It mostly worked. Today, we yell at the standards bodies to introduce new and awesome things and yell at the browser vendors to implement them, regardless of how unrealistic they may be. It doesn’t work.
  • standards bodies are downstream of implementations, and that’s the only time when they work well.
• 17 Dec 07
  

  Chrys R

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  Gary Edwards on 2008-01-06

  Alex Russel of Dojo fame is calling for a break from the W3C Standards work, and a return to browser led innovation. His reasoning is that the W3C committees are unable to keep up with the innovative needs of Web Developers. W3C Standards are holging us back.

  
  
  
  

  So, do we listen to Alex and trade standards based interoperability for vendor based "innovation"? I think not. There is an error in Alex's logic i think.

  
  
  
  

  The error is in mot fully recognizing the power and influence vendors have at the W3C. It's not that the W3C lags. It's that the vendors who sponsor much of the W3C standards work desire to hold back standards in order to provide for marketplace innovation differentials. Teh sad truth is that vendors have learned how to work both open standards and open source communities to protect their applications.

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